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Thunder Bow wrote:Welcome to this forum. You may want to give my forum a look as well.

Mythoscio wrote:Wow thank you very much for your reply it's great to meet you!
xD yeah laugher is so vital, it's the best medicine amirite?
haha x)

Anyway, I find it really interesting you were into Mahayana Budhism and I SO GET what you mean by "deadening" ... It is actually a very common theme I see in other religions and practices etc, about having to disattatch from this reality (desires etc) and somehow transfer into pure conciousness or something like that? lol! they say "body is lesser, spirit is greater, you must give up the body and become pure spirit" things similar to that... It's interesting concepts, but I've gotten very depressed over this.. For awhile I felt sad and numb, like I was trapped here, like love, happiness and joy were all just a sham and I had to distance myself from reality, emotions, connectiveness, and any form of pleasure here. But the experience did really help me give another look at myself and see reality in another way.

Maybe there is a fine line though, of being receptive and open to the growth and other expeiriences of spirit, while giving it also the freedom to apreciate and love when and where ever it is... Just holdin kinda loosely to it instead of a death grip. lol!


Maybe some day that is the destiny of spirit, but it is dificult to stay loving this place when you are trying so hard to "get out of here"? lol, what do you think bout all of it?

Knight of Albion wrote:A very warm welcome to the forum, dear Soul

ameliorate wrote:

Mythoscio wrote:Wow thank you very much for your reply it's great to meet you!
xD yeah laugher is so vital, it's the best medicine amirite?
haha x)

Anyway, I find it really interesting you were into Mahayana Budhism and I SO GET what you mean by "deadening" ... It is actually a very common theme I see in other religions and practices etc, about having to disattatch from this reality (desires etc) and somehow transfer into pure conciousness or something like that? lol! they say "body is lesser, spirit is greater, you must give up the body and become pure spirit" things similar to that... It's interesting concepts, but I've gotten very depressed over this.. For awhile I felt sad and numb, like I was trapped here, like love, happiness and joy were all just a sham and I had to distance myself from reality, emotions, connectiveness, and any form of pleasure here. But the experience did really help me give another look at myself and see reality in another way.

Maybe there is a fine line though, of being receptive and open to the growth and other expeiriences of spirit, while giving it also the freedom to apreciate and love when and where ever it is... Just holdin kinda loosely to it instead of a death grip. lol!


Maybe some day that is the destiny of spirit, but it is dificult to stay loving this place when you are trying so hard to "get out of here"? lol, what do you think bout all of it?

Wow you have been on quite a spiritual journey!  So were you a buddhist once too?  I have to say it gave me a useful tool i.e. the ability to detach myself from my emotions....like watching myself from above.  I got into Mahayana Buddhism because I excelled in unrequited love which, you can imagine, can be very painful.  So learning how to detach myself is a very useful tool! I did not yearn to be the person's lover (I never felt worthy) but I was very attached to having to see the person!  (It was an exquisite, mysterious secret of mine). 

I am still not sure whether I took the non attachment too far, i.e. more than what it was intended for but it got to the stage where I questioned why I wanted to phone a friend - seeing it as a weakness.  Ridiculous!  It did leave me feeling like I was watching life play out from the wings.  I had peace, serenity but at a price.  I did a painting of how I felt at the time....all of life was in colour and I was watching, from the wings, calm but all grey.  Eventually I chose to dive back into life! 
 
Yes to feel love without attachment is quite an art...giving without strings - not wanting something to be more than what it offers.   I feel we are supposed to be here for the human experience so I am in no rush to be pure spirit.  We are here for a reason and learning how to live harmoniously is a long lesson.

Blueanchor wrote:I do like the spirit of this thread - it's so good to have people summarise their journeys. I've spoken to Ame for over a year and didn't know all this.

I find my journey difficult to define because I haven't followed particular ways. Nature has always been a friend to me and one of the wisest guides in all things spiritual. I work psychically with energies to show me the way and help me to understand our deeper existence. This comes in the form of connecting to nature and souls of animals, plants, minerals and people from different perspectives.

I am just me and am influenced more by the life I've lived and the lessons learned and wisdom that have come from that.

Knight of Albion wrote:A very warm welcome to the forum, dear Soul

Mythoscio wrote:

ameliorate wrote:

Mythoscio wrote:Wow thank you very much for your reply it's great to meet you!
xD yeah laugher is so vital, it's the best medicine amirite?
haha x)

Anyway, I find it really interesting you were into Mahayana Budhism and I SO GET what you mean by "deadening" ... It is actually a very common theme I see in other religions and practices etc, about having to disattatch from this reality (desires etc) and somehow transfer into pure conciousness or something like that? lol! they say "body is lesser, spirit is greater, you must give up the body and become pure spirit" things similar to that... It's interesting concepts, but I've gotten very depressed over this.. For awhile I felt sad and numb, like I was trapped here, like love, happiness and joy were all just a sham and I had to distance myself from reality, emotions, connectiveness, and any form of pleasure here. But the experience did really help me give another look at myself and see reality in another way.

Maybe there is a fine line though, of being receptive and open to the growth and other expeiriences of spirit, while giving it also the freedom to apreciate and love when and where ever it is... Just holdin kinda loosely to it instead of a death grip. lol!


Maybe some day that is the destiny of spirit, but it is dificult to stay loving this place when you are trying so hard to "get out of here"? lol, what do you think bout all of it?

Wow you have been on quite a spiritual journey!  So were you a buddhist once too?  I have to say it gave me a useful tool i.e. the ability to detach myself from my emotions....like watching myself from above.  I got into Mahayana Buddhism because I excelled in unrequited love which, you can imagine, can be very painful.  So learning how to detach myself is a very useful tool! I did not yearn to be the person's lover (I never felt worthy) but I was very attached to having to see the person!  (It was an exquisite, mysterious secret of mine). 

I am still not sure whether I took the non attachment and eliminating desires too far, i.e. more than what it was intended for but it got to the stage where I questioned why I wanted to phone a friend - seeing it as a weakness.  Ridiculous!  It did leave me feeling like I was watching life play out from the wings.  I had peace, serenity but at a price.  I did a painting of how I felt at the time....all of life was in colour and I was watching, from the wings, calm but all grey.  Eventually I chose to dive back into life! 
 
Yes to feel love without attachment is quite an art...giving without strings - not wanting something to be more than what it offers.   I feel we are supposed to be here for the human experience so I am in no rush to be pure spirit.  We are here for a reason and learning how to live harmoniously is a long lesson.

Beautiful reply, thank you kindly!

Ya it's been one crazy adventure, part of me is still always going to thirst for spirit to be all spirit can be.

but I can't help but think, IF spirit CAN become and go to this other dimension, why not go back and forth? How come its a all or nothing deal? if it has nothing to even do with the body, why does the body need to physcial die? it's very confusing stuff. Lol. and, isn't that a huge gamble to take? what if i kill myself but oops turns out all that was fraud you just wasted your life. lool.

I've never been comissioned to any religious organization, but I do glean insight from every avalible source of spirit.

I wonder, if I've done it so many times, as Buddha, Christ, etc, how'd I end up back here, and why am I here again? Shouldn't I be able to go back and forth between the worlds? Maybe I can.. Lol!

This world is beautiful though, it offers much wonder. And ya, without all the diversity and colors, it is all just grey.. I don't know, all the worlds offer something wonderous.. Even the "non-worlds" or what have you. LOL!

Much love,
Namaste!

Mythoscio wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:I do like the spirit of this thread - it's so good to have people summarise their journeys. I've spoken to Ame for over a year and didn't know all this.

I find my journey difficult to define because I haven't followed particular ways. Nature has always been a friend to me and one of the wisest guides in all things spiritual. I work psychically with energies to show me the way and help me to understand our deeper existence. This comes in the form of connecting to nature and souls of animals, plants, minerals and people from different perspectives.

I am just me and am influenced more by the life I've lived and the lessons learned and wisdom that have come from that.

ty very much! and thanks for your lovely reply!<3

wow that's so incredible I really resonate with this, spirit (life experiences etc) & nature are incredible teachers,
and a lot of times I think the road less traveled is very wise.

I really apreciate this diversity! So where are you at now with your spirituality? what are your current goals & aspirations if you'd like to discuss it, anyway, cheers!

Much Love<3

Blueanchor wrote:

Mythoscio wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:I do like the spirit of this thread - it's so good to have people summarise their journeys. I've spoken to Ame for over a year and didn't know all this.

I find my journey difficult to define because I haven't followed particular ways. Nature has always been a friend to me and one of the wisest guides in all things spiritual. I work psychically with energies to show me the way and help me to understand our deeper existence. This comes in the form of connecting to nature and souls of animals, plants, minerals and people from different perspectives.

I am just me and am influenced more by the life I've lived and the lessons learned and wisdom that have come from that.

ty very much! and thanks for your lovely reply!<3

wow that's so incredible I really resonate with this, spirit (life experiences etc) & nature are incredible teachers,
and a lot of times I think the road less traveled is very wise.

I really apreciate this diversity! So where are you at now with your spirituality? what are your current goals & aspirations if you'd like to discuss it, anyway, cheers!

Much Love<3

I'm just living this part of my life. I've never had goals or aspirations spiritually because I was shown a long time ago, that although there are different vibrations that resonate with different dimensions, there is no ladder to climb to a more aspirational place. So I seek to understand what life and spirit are showing me through the life I live, rather than to get some place else. 

This has worked well for me, and my life constantly changes and takes me to new places (and new people) to explore and learn through.

ameliorate wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:

Mythoscio wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:I do like the spirit of this thread - it's so good to have people summarise their journeys. I've spoken to Ame for over a year and didn't know all this.

I find my journey difficult to define because I haven't followed particular ways. Nature has always been a friend to me and one of the wisest guides in all things spiritual. I work psychically with energies to show me the way and help me to understand our deeper existence. This comes in the form of connecting to nature and souls of animals, plants, minerals and people from different perspectives.

I am just me and am influenced more by the life I've lived and the lessons learned and wisdom that have come from that.

ty very much! and thanks for your lovely reply!<3

wow that's so incredible I really resonate with this, spirit (life experiences etc) & nature are incredible teachers,
and a lot of times I think the road less traveled is very wise.

I really apreciate this diversity! So where are you at now with your spirituality? what are your current goals & aspirations if you'd like to discuss it, anyway, cheers!

Much Love<3

I'm just living this part of my life. I've never had goals or aspirations spiritually because I was shown a long time ago, that although there are different vibrations that resonate with different dimensions, there is no ladder to climb to a more aspirational place. So I seek to understand what life and spirit are showing me through the life I live, rather than to get some place else. 

This has worked well for me, and my life constantly changes and takes me to new places (and new people) to explore and learn through.

I am curious to know what you mean by the bit I have highlighted here.  'No ladder' would indicate that there is no hierarchy and the word 'aspirational' is just about desiring something greatly.  Spirituality is obviously not competitive but I do see that there are various levels of intensity. 

It is one thing to contact our soul/spirit, as can be achieved by being with nature or meditating but that may be for a very short time.  Becoming more spiritualised would involve being MORE in spirit, i.e. as a way of living rather than living through our ego, which is more the norm.   How a tibetan monk lives - totally attuned to their spirit 24/7 - has a greater intensity and higher state of consciousness (I feel) than how we live, i.e. having to participate in worldly matters that constantly challenge our intent to remain spiritualised.  It is harder to always stay centred in our spirit in the western world, I feel, although being mindful is conducive to helping maintain this equilibrium.  Coming from a place of spirit, rather than ego, can be a goal for those who want this i.e. "the ladder".

Discuss?

Blueanchor wrote:

ameliorate wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:I'm just living this part of my life. I've never had goals or aspirations spiritually because I was shown a long time ago, that although there are different vibrations that resonate with different dimensions, there is no ladder to climb to a more aspirational place. So I seek to understand what life and spirit are showing me through the life I live, rather than to get some place else. 

This has worked well for me, and my life constantly changes and takes me to new places (and new people) to explore and learn through.

I am curious to know what you mean by the bit I have highlighted here.  'No ladder' would indicate that there is no hierarchy and the word 'aspirational' is just about desiring something greatly.  Spirituality is obviously not competitive but I do see that there are various levels of intensity. 

It is one thing to contact our soul/spirit, as can be achieved by being with nature or meditating but that may be for a very short time.  Becoming more spiritualised would involve being MORE in spirit, i.e. as a way of living rather than living through our ego, which is more the norm.   How a tibetan monk lives - totally attuned to their spirit 24/7 - has a greater intensity and higher state of consciousness (I feel) than how we live, i.e. having to participate in worldly matters that constantly challenge our intent to remain spiritualised.  It is harder to always stay centred in our spirit in the western world, I feel, although being mindful is conducive to helping maintain this equilibrium.  Coming from a place of spirit, rather than ego, can be a goal for those who want this i.e. "the ladder".

Discuss?

Yes, what I mean by no ladder is that there is no hierarchy. Aspiration is a useful device for riding on hope into the unknown and enjoying what is eventually found there. Aspiration is only negative when expectation (or a static belief in an aspirational goal) is involved. Aspiration is the vehicle to aid a journey, rather than a destination... and this is how I mean the bolded phrase.

Intensity is a comparative perception. If you live on land, then the intensity of deep sea diving is so great that land dwellers have to move back to the surface slowly. Alternatively, if you were a deep dwelling animal, then the intensity of the surface waters and land would be great. Intensity is perceived when we move out of our perceived normal, whatever that may be. It isn't a one way ladder.

And so, from the human understanding of self, the spiritual experience can be pretty intense. And in the same way, the spirits understanding of human can be equally intense. I am equally human and spirit and if you can picture a line between them, then my perception works from both sides of that line. Yet, I would say that I'm more comfortable in spirit than I am with human experiences. 

I don't see a monk in a monastery as being more or less spiritualise than a person living and working in a capitalist society. The monk is no more or less advanced spiritually, he (why so many he's? are women able to become Tibetan monks?), he is living a life that provides him with opportunity to learn his lessons. Living amongst our society is something that I find pretty intense. But it provides me the experiences I need.

In a previous life, I lived as a monk, a Christian monk, and I found great peace in the monastery. But towards the end of that spiritualised life, I realised what God was, and in that realisation, I saw humanity in a new light, and that life and realisation I found from it, has come back to me in this life and helped me to understand the life I live now.

Blueanchor wrote:You were right to say he, I was just highlighting that there are more male than female monks - the reasons for this are worth considering.

I do feel that purity, but I feel it when I walk with trees or mountains or seas. When I'm in pure places, it flows through me. It's not me that's pure, it's the energies of a space. Similarly, the monk hasn't attained anything spiritually, he is living in a pure space.

Similarly, the monk wouldn't lose any spiritual attainment if he were to walk down the mountain and spend time working in the city. He is still the same monk, it is only the energies around him that change.

We need purity to clear our connections and heal or clear the energies we live in, and then we return to the crowd and take that energy with us and when it feels time to renew, then intuition will naturally lead us out into the wildernesses again.

Blueanchor wrote:No ego, no separation, one... and yet perceiving the energy of space to be outside and the energy of what? yourself? to be inside

In my experience, energies flow through brick walls and bodies and dimensions, it is influenced by all that it touches, but it is one, not belonging.

Lol, don't be sad for me, it's not such a bad place to be.

Blueanchor wrote:Belief is personal to each individual and chosen because it's helpful usually.

I do believe that if you live up a mountain in a spiritually focussed community, working on the land and mediating for many hours, then you would feel pure. However, I don't believe that a monk is more or less advanced, I believe the monk is living a lifestyle that would bring about that feeling in most people.

But what good is a saint in a heaven or a monk that lives too far away for most people to ever reach out to.

There is a unique beauty in walking through a society that raises genuine challenges. It's hard to be pure in integrity and love here, but perhaps that is the test. But spirit is essentially pure.

Blueanchor wrote:When I'm in spirit, there is no my spirit and another spirit, there is just spirit. When I'm with trees, I'm trees, when I'm on a mountain, I'm rock, earth and everything that makes the mountain, when I'm in a storm, I'm a storm and the earth and air.

I look out through the windows of my eyes and know that I'm separate, but as energy I feel one beyond any perception of me.

It's not easy to explain, but those experiences that I attempt to explain (poorly maybe) are what I mean.