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    Can HUMAN spirit guides be deceiving?

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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:35 am

    So, this is a question about human spirit guides.
    I mean ones that are alive as humans.

    Can they be deceiving?
    Or act one way and really be another way?
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    Post  Detlef Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:09 am

    No, even so there are no human spirits, there are only spirits, who have a human life. But having said this, no they are not deceiving.
    Would not be, yes they are cryptic and they are always cryptic.
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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:46 pm

    oops, I don't think I made that clear.

    I'm talking about people who are alive and are serving people as spiritual mentors.

    Can they be deceiving?
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    Post  1antique Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:00 pm

    All who are in the physical body can be deceiving. We are an imperfect form. We have own needs and desires that, no matter how hard we try, come to the forefront of our minds. As such, we will find ways to manipulate others to get those needs and desires. It may not be intentional, but it will happen in one way or another.

    That being said, there are those who do their best to put their own needs and desires behind them and work to help those in need. They are not perfect, but their hearts are open.
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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:12 pm

    Oh yes, that does make sense.

    But, I mean can they act like a light being, reel someone in, and then in reality be an energy vampire?
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    Post  1antique Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:17 pm

    They can, most definitely do that, but, I must say, they do not always realize that is what they are doing. There are many who are 'vampires that do not know that they are draining another's energy. I have met some...both in person and on line.
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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:21 pm

    Ah yes, my ex boyfriend was like that.

    Sucked the life out of me with abuse, but he wasn't even aware of it.

    But I think there are beings out there that do it and are probably aware that they are doing it.
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    Post  Detlef Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:26 pm

    Rfrost_ wrote:oops, I don't think I made that clear.

    I'm talking about people who are alive and are serving people as spiritual mentors.

    Can they be deceiving?
    Sure they can and they do.
    Some of the "greatest"  gurus are as dark as they come.
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    Post  1antique Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:30 pm

    There is a reason for the phrase 'beware of the wolf in sheep's clothing.'
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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:32 pm

    I think one of my Human guides has been psychically attacking to me and lying, that's why I brought this up.

    They say they are all peaceful, no negative thoughts or feelings towards anyone, they want nothing, and they are happy regardless of them claiming they have nothing.

    This person has made me feel angry, depressed, insecure, scared, and I down right wanted to give up ALL of my spirituality last night.
    That is how they made me feel.
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    Post  mayflow Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:37 pm

    Rfrost_ wrote:I think one of my Human guides has been psychically attacking to me and lying, that's why I brought this up.

    They say they are all peaceful, no negative thoughts or feelings towards anyone, they want nothing, and they are happy regardless of them claiming they have nothing.

    This person has made me feel angry, depressed, insecure, scared, and I down right wanted to give up ALL of my spirituality last night.
    That is how they made me feel.

    Well however you feel, it is you who are making you feel how you feel. It is totally up to you.
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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:44 pm

    All I know is I felt like, well you know what, last night.

    Like the energy was being sucked out of me.
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    Post  SpiritVoices Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:47 pm

    1antique wrote:There is a reason for the phrase 'beware of the wolf in sheep's clothing.'
    That's true,1antique.....
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    Post  mayflow Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:52 pm

    Rfrost_ wrote:All I know is I felt like, well you know what, last night.

    Like the energy was being sucked out of me.

    So that is you. Why to blame it on others?
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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:03 pm

    I don't blame others for how I feel, but I know that there is a source to the way I feel.

    Ok, how would you feel if someone told you if you were setting yourself up for failure?

    Or better yet constantly sucking energy out of you and constantly telling you bad things about yourself?
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    Post  Violet Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:05 pm

    Rfrost_ wrote:oops, I don't think I made that clear.

    I'm talking about people who are alive and are serving people as spiritual mentors.

    Can they be deceiving?


    Oh yes very much so, I knew of one who used to prey on people who looked vulnerable as in looking down /unhappy he would strike up conversation and come across very friendly and helpful, when they opened a little about their unhappiness he would then strike telling them they had a 'bad energy/spirit' attached to them and this is what was causing them the unhappiness, he would offer to remove it, starting fee £50 more often than not it would of course take several attempts to remove it completely, he finally got busted for it, i've seen and heard a lot about such people over the years caution caution caution always



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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:06 pm

    In my opinion, blaming someone for the way I feel would be me stating that I am angry at a problem or my life, therefore I look for a reason (or scapegoat) to put it on to feel better.

    That is not what I do, and that is not what I am talking about.

    I am talking about a being that is literally using their psychic abilities against me.
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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:07 pm

    Violet wrote:
    Rfrost_ wrote:oops, I don't think I made that clear.

    I'm talking about people who are alive and are serving people as spiritual mentors.

    Can they be deceiving?


    Oh yes very much so, I knew of one who used to prey on people who looked vulnerable as in looking down /unhappy he would strike up conversation and come across very friendly and helpful, when they opened a little about their unhappiness he would then strike telling them they had a 'bad energy/spirit' attached to them and this is what was causing them the unhappiness, he would offer to remove it, starting fee £50 more often than not it would of course take several attempts to remove it completely, he finally got busted for it, i've seen and heard a lot about such people over the years caution caution caution always



    It kind of reminds me of like a tick that attaches onto you and takes on energy.
    Or OOooooo! Even better example, one of those angler fish.
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    Post  Violet Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:09 pm

    Rfrost_ wrote:All I know is I felt like, well you know what, last night.

    Like the energy was being sucked out of me.

    Walk away from them is my opinion, trust your feelings, many people are in awe of 'spiritual mentors' they shouldn't be, they are only people like everyone else with perhaps just a little more knowledge/experience, they are not gods or superbeings, if YOU feel uncomfortable in anyway something is wrong



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    Post  Violet Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:14 pm

    I am talking about a being that is literally using their psychic abilities against me.

    This does happen please trust your feelings you'd be surprised how many (USUALLY self proclaimed) ' highly spiritual people' don't have a spiritual bone in their body and are mad jealous of anyone who shows potential, and you get people like the one I posted about above.



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    Post  mayflow Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:19 pm

    Rfrost_ wrote:I don't blame others for how I feel, but I know that there is a source to the way I feel.

    Ok, how would you feel if someone told you if you were setting yourself up for failure?

    Or better yet constantly sucking energy out of you and constantly telling you bad things about yourself?

    And that source for how you feel is you.
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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:33 pm

    What scares me about this situation is that I'm not uncomfortable in the sense of, this makes me want to go away, I feel unsettled, disturbed.
    I think I SHOULD be uncomfortable like that, but I have spent so many years having to deal with abuse that its like I'm used to it.

    Yes I have felt threatened by them, I have felt angry at them, I've felt depressed, lied to etc.
    But not like OMG I need to get away from this person.

    What is wrong with me???
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    Post  Violet Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:22 pm

    I don't think there's anything wrong with you, I think you're probably just very accepting of people, warts and all, imo this is a good quality to have.

    I feel unsettled, disturbed.
    I think I SHOULD be uncomfortable like that, but I have spent so many years having to deal with abuse that its like I'm used to it.
    Such feelings can become very familiar, normal even to people who've suffered abuse, even comfortable for some because it is so familiar.



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    Post  Rfrost_ Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:26 pm

    Yeah that makes sense.

    Is it possible for someone to be half light being and half energy vampire?
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    Post  Detlef Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:34 pm

    OK, my last input in this matter, Rfrost, what ever you do and how ever you react to the person you refer to, be aware s/he simply plays the role to you that needs to be played in order for you to grow. Lets hope all this will strengthen your resolve, and even there will be no need for a physical guides any longer. You can through all this spiritual crap into the corner, and forget about it for some time.
    Your real guide will get you back on track, they have their ways.
    Then hopefully you will listen to this soft voice inside of you, rather then a loud voice on the outside.





    A real guide will step back if you don't respond and will allow you to make 'mistakes".
    A fake one will manipulate you into their direction trough control.

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