Does Dying Hurt?

I've heard that actual death is painless regardless of your physical condition, even if you are in great pain at the point of death the act of dying does not hurt. What are your thoughts on this?

The act of death itself.. Crossing over. Or the way the person dies?

I would say it depends on how you died, but the death itself, you crossing into spirit would probably not hurt.

The act of death itself.

No death does not hurt.
I have been thinking about death a lot lately.
I know prior to death one becomes calm, death doesn't come suddenly, one is dying, inbetween worlds for hours, sometimes days.
So one gets used to it.
Those who pass over suddenly, unexpectedly, need counselling on the other side.

Yes it must be quite a shock to be here one minute and there the next.

I Suppose Violet that thats the only way it can be put, one minute were here, the next were not, then we go home.

Lee

www.eastridingparanormal.com

Violet wrote:Yes it must be quite a shock to be here one minute and there the next.

Violet wrote:The act of death itself.

Physically, I would say no. As a spirit you wouldn't feel pain as you would in a normal life. Mentally, I'm sure it could be possible to have trauma. I suppose it's a matter of how fast, or soon you died. If you weren't prepared for it. It could be traumatic, and you try and come to terms with it. Let alone realizing you are leaving behind family/friends for a brief amount of time.

innerlight wrote:

Violet wrote:The act of death itself.

Physically, I would say now. As a spirit you wouldn't feel pain as you would in a normal life. Mentally, I'm sure it could be possible to have trauma. I suppose it's a matter of how fast, or soon you died. If you weren't prepared for it. It could be traumatic, and you try and come to terms with it. Let alone realizing you are leaving behind family/friends for a brief amount of time.

It's been shown that the brain goes through a shutdown process more or less. It prepares you for the certain finality death itself. Even though the human mind can comprehend the thought of death itself it's a tough act to accept and even though we know it's a natural process it's not acceptable to us. Is there pain? Hard to say. Pain if any may last as long as the brain and nervous system continue to function after death itself who knows? The hearing will last for about an hour and a half and is the last sense to go. We essentially die from biological changes over time the fancy medical term is "Senescence".... Wiki puts it this way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senescence

Thanks ZombieChaser i'll read that fully later.

Violet wrote:I've heard that actual death is painless regardless of your physical condition, even if you are in great pain at the point of death the act of dying does not hurt.  What are your thoughts on this?

I was reading some literature the other week, I can't recall what it was. - Don't you just hate it when that happens.

It was about a grieving family. They couldn't reach a place of peace and their thoughts were adding to their grief. 
They assumed their son - if memory serves me right - suffered before he passed. Apparently he died when his vehicle crashed and it exploded in to flames. They were informed either by himself or by spirit, that he was taken to the world of spirit, before the flames actually reached his body.

Having heard this for themselves, their grief lessened or stopped completely.

Yes,I read the same as that,Skye. I did have some information very close your post that pain departs on the spirit leaving the body.

There is no wrenching of the spirit as it departs.

I always remember this beautiful quote, which aroused my interest in NDEs and life after death (I was only a very young man back then and death seemed so distant at that time I had never given it serious contemplation) ...

'Many of the patients have spoken of the peace they experienced; beautiful, indescribable peace - no pain, no anxiety. They tell us that all that matters is how much you have loved, how much you have cared and if you know these things then you cannot possibly be afraid of death'
- Dr Elisabeth Kubler-Ross.

The theme of peace and serenity is commomplace in NDEs.

Joan and Native Spirit, I can only hope that people who may have concerns as to whether or not their loved ones continue to suffer pain after their deaths, find some encouragement in hearing that all pain and physical limitations die along with the physical body.

Knight of Albion wrote:I always remember this beautiful quote, which aroused my interest in NDEs and life after death (I was only a very young man back then and death seemed so distant at that time I had never given it serious contemplation) ...

'Many of the patients have spoken of the peace they experienced; beautiful, indescribable peace - no pain, no anxiety. They tell us that all that matters is how much you have loved, how much you have cared and if you know these things then you cannot possibly be afraid of death'
- Dr Elisabeth Kubler-Ross.

The theme of peace and serenity is commomplace in NDEs.

I rarely tire of reading quotes like this, Knight of Albion, they are so inspirational for me. They seem to touch the very core of my being and as silly as this may sound, I feel somewhat home sick, but in a good way. One can only imagine, if people feel like this after experiencing an NDE, how wonderful it must be for those people who cross over into the afterlife.

Knight of Albion wrote:I always remember this beautiful quote, which aroused my interest in NDEs and life after death (I was only a very young man back then and death seemed so distant at that time I had never given it serious contemplation) ...

'Many of the patients have spoken of the peace they experienced; beautiful, indescribable peace - no pain, no anxiety. They tell us that all that matters is how much you have loved, how much you have cared and if you know these things then you cannot possibly be afraid of death'
- Dr Elisabeth Kubler-Ross.

The theme of peace and serenity is commomplace in NDEs.

Beautiful way of explaining death. I like it.......

As I grow older this is the kind of subject I worry about....
We start pondering on the facts of death. What happens and what is the process like?
Like we all say.....'I wonder what physical death is like'.

My one memory is going to see my husband after being informed by the hospital that he had passed over at around 8am that morning.
His bed had been curtained off but he lay there looking so peaceful....
No pain shown on his face. All tubes had been removed,his hands were lying peacefully on the bed,just as if he was asleep.
His legs were straight not thrashing about....

The doctor told me later that he had been joking with him and nursing staff. I know he was given an injection to help the pain but according to the doctor there was more to it than that....
I have no fear now....

Hi Joanie is this the spiritualist husband? When you believe as we do death can become a little less fearful in fact i'm sure many embrace it once they know it is imminent and i'm quite sure people are prepared whether they realise it or not, from what I understand few people thrash about the body goes through several stages (unless you die suddenly) and for most its an easing out rather than something horrific.

Violet wrote:Hi Joanie is this the spiritualist husband? When you believe as we do death can become a little less fearful in fact i'm sure many embrace it once they know it is imminent and i'm quite sure people are prepared whether they realise it or not, from what I understand few people thrash about the body goes through several stages (unless you die suddenly) and for most its an easing out rather than something horrific.

Yes,it is Violet. He always said he had no fear of death....just the pain that may go with it....
This is what made me think when the doctor in the hospital said 'he was in pain but he never stopped joking with us'...I feel that Ken knew he was not going to recover from this episode of illness and finally let go.....

xxx

Violet wrote:Hi Joanie is this the spiritualist husband? When you believe as we do death can become a little less fearful in fact i'm sure many embrace it once they know it is imminent and i'm quite sure people are prepared whether they realise it or not, from what I understand few people thrash about the body goes through several stages (unless you die suddenly) and for most its an easing out rather than something horrific.

I keep chickens and when they are about to die they really thrash about, it's how I know I have lost the fight for them. Some of my chucks are very old now, they stopped laying many years ago, my oldest chuck was 13 when she died in my arms, she was so weak and very quiet then thrash flap flap, it seems to be their way of fighting to stay alive and I calmed her by stroking her wings and said it was ok to go. I am glad that humans are not like that, the two people I have seen die both just seemed to deflate their lungs with one last exhalation and that was it, the end, nothing more.

I find myself wondering more about death and I think it is the pain of living that I fear the most, death will be either nothing more or something wonderful and as I am facing it more each day I do keep dwelling on those two extremes.

'When I come to your world I am like a bird that is imprisoned within a cage and when I leave it I am like a bird joyfully released to wing its way through boundless space.
What you call death is the opening of the cage and the release of the bird from its prison'

- Silver Birch

Knight of Albion wrote:'When I come to your world I am like a bird that is imprisoned within a cage and when I leave it I am like a bird joyfully released to wing its way through boundless space.
What you call death is the opening of the cage and the release of the bird from its prison'

- Silver Birch

Silver Birch!    Apt description of freedom.

SpiritVoices wrote:

Knight of Albion wrote:'When I come to your world I am like a bird that is imprisoned within a cage and when I leave it I am like a bird joyfully released to wing its way through boundless space.
What you call death is the opening of the cage and the release of the bird from its prison'

- Silver Birch

Silver Birch!    Apt description of freedom.

I am not so sure, I studied Silver Birch in fact my mother linked in with him. I think that freedom can mean many things, a bird reared in captivity, in a beautiful cage with lots of room and toys and variety of foods is safer than out in the wild flying free, and knows no difference and may even fear being outside. It is all about experience, knowledge and upbringing. I am no NA so I do not find the teaching of SB that impressive, being a devout Christian I have different ideals, but I know many do follow him and it seems this forum does. But the sprituality of modern life means that a lot of those diatribes no longer have meaning. Moving with the times means that we learn differently and need to, to survive, rather then dwelling on what may have been wisdom but might have been faked.

Spirit of Light wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:

Knight of Albion wrote:'When I come to your world I am like a bird that is imprisoned within a cage and when I leave it I am like a bird joyfully released to wing its way through boundless space.
What you call death is the opening of the cage and the release of the bird from its prison'

- Silver Birch

Silver Birch!    Apt description of freedom.

I am not so sure, I studied Silver Birch in fact my mother linked in with him. I think that freedom can mean many things, a bird reared in captivity, in a beautiful cage with lots of room and toys and variety of foods is safer than out in the wild flying free, and knows no difference and may even fear being outside. It is all about experience, knowledge and upbringing. I am no NA so I do not find the teaching of SB that impressive, being a devout Christian I have different ideals, but I know many do follow him and it seems this forum does. But the sprituality of modern life means that a lot of those diatribes no longer have meaning. Moving with the times means that we learn differently and need to, to survive, rather then dwelling on what may have been wisdom but might have been faked.

No one has ever linked in with Silver Birch except a medium of highest regard.
Silver Birch stated that he would never have contact with any other medium and never has!

SpiritVoices wrote:

Spirit of Light wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:

Knight of Albion wrote:'When I come to your world I am like a bird that is imprisoned within a cage and when I leave it I am like a bird joyfully released to wing its way through boundless space.
What you call death is the opening of the cage and the release of the bird from its prison'

- Silver Birch

Silver Birch!    Apt description of freedom.

I am not so sure, I studied Silver Birch in fact my mother linked in with him. I think that freedom can mean many things, a bird reared in captivity, in a beautiful cage with lots of room and toys and variety of foods is safer than out in the wild flying free, and knows no difference and may even fear being outside. It is all about experience, knowledge and upbringing. I am no NA so I do not find the teaching of SB that impressive, being a devout Christian I have different ideals, but I know many do follow him and it seems this forum does. But the sprituality of modern life means that a lot of those diatribes no longer have meaning. Moving with the times means that we learn differently and need to, to survive, rather then dwelling on what may have been wisdom but might have been faked.

No one has ever linked in with Silver Birch except a medium of highest regard.
Silver Birch stated that he would never have contact with any other medium and never has!

Agreed!