Guiding someone who doesn't believe?

It's a common belief that we all have a spirit guide whether we believe or are aware of them or not, so what happens in these cases? Does the guide work differently with them, how would a guide guide someone who did not believe? Personally I think they work with us but behind the scenes, impressing things on us, it's funny how many non believers tell me 'something told me not to do that' or 'I just had a hunch' is this their guides at work?

Violet wrote:It's a common belief that we all have a spirit guide whether we believe or are aware of them or not, so what happens in these cases? Does the guide work differently with them, how would a guide guide someone who did not believe? Personally I think they work with us but behind the scenes, impressing things on us, it's funny how many non believers tell me 'something told me not to do that' or 'I just had a hunch' is this their guides at work?

A subject on which I've written before..... I'm a great advocate of heeding the teaching of spiritually-evolved
teachers but I'm not aware of any in-depth guidance on the matter of
personal guides.

The role of helpers and guides is ill-defined, little explained. Some believe our actions are almost controlled by them but that would suggest the principle of freewill might be compromised. Others feel that 'guides' are little more than helpers and on occasion they may help by impressing on us certain choices we make ourselves but any of which would be appropriate for our needs or even pre-agreed aims. To know what would best suit our needs a guide/helper would need an intimate understanding of us. This is in line with the 'behind the scenes' suggestion Violet has made in her piece and with which I'm in accord.

I feel that many misjudge the role of helpers and guides, often seeing them almost as personal gurus constantly directing events in their lives or feeding knowledge and guidance to shape them. Perhaps that happens with some guides and certain individuals but as with many issues it's different strokes for different folks I'd suggest....

I feel that many misjudge the role of helpers and guides, often seeing them almost as personal gurus constantly directing events in their lives or feeding knowledge and guidance to shape them.

I'm with you on this Mac but could it be possible some may need more guidance, perhaps even more 'hands on' guidance' than others?

Violet wrote:

I feel that many misjudge the role of helpers and guides, often seeing them almost as personal gurus constantly directing events in their lives or feeding knowledge and guidance to shape them.

I'm with you on this Mac but could it be possible some may need more guidance, perhaps even more 'hands on' guidance' than others?

Yes I agree but for the 'rank and file' folks like myself I don't feel we'd generally need such tactile guidance...

Violet wrote:It's a common belief that we all have a spirit guide whether we believe or are aware of them or not, so what happens in these cases? Does the guide work differently with them, how would a guide guide someone who did not believe? Personally I think they work with us but behind the scenes, impressing things on us, it's funny how many non believers tell me 'something told me not to do that' or 'I just had a hunch' is this their guides at work?

Now that I believe in,Violet.

How many times have we yearned for something very important to us?

Or to ask for aid for someone else?

Particularly help for someone dear to us?

That help does not arrive...........Would you say that in asking for that help,we are going against the way of their life's pattern?

The life that person agreed to live.

I don't believe everyone has a spirit guide because not every person will become a medium. It is said that the role of a spirit guide to work with a potential medium to develop and unfold their mediumship.

However, I do believe everyone has a spirit guardian who is with them before their physical birth and after their physical passing. These souls are concerned with our spiritual well being, at least that;s what I have been taught. Our loved ones and friends can also support us and offer their services just like they did when they were here. As we are all spirit beings, it's natural to say we are all psychic, albeit to various levels. Our intuition or psychic faculty can often be heightened, whereby we tune into a different frequency, say temporarily, and we are able to tune into these energies in times of need, be they through our own inner voice or thoughts or impressions, whereby we choose to act on them or not.

I don't believe everyone has a spirit guide because not every person will become a medium. It is said that the role of a spirit guide to work with a potential medium to develop and unfold their mediumship.

Hi Skye, now that's an interesting thought, i've also heard people mention healing guides with healers so that would make sense to have specific guides for specific areas of spiritual work. It may also explain why we get different guides at different stages of development, i'm currently working with my third guide at the stage i'm at now.

Our loved ones and friends can also support us and offer their services just like they did when they were here.

I totally believe this too but I can't believe relatives are ever spirit guides, they help us for sure but I don't think they could be spirit guides to us.

Yes Violet, we have different guides for different areas of mediumship from the 4 Cs to healing and philosophy. Many people see mediums has just message givers which I find sad as mediumship is much more.


I don't believe our relatives and friends can be spiritual guides either. Unfortunately, they will lack the necessary skills, and I for one am pleased to hear it.

As so often in the past we're struggling with the words we find ourselves having to use, words that often carry inappropriate associations....

The popular concept seems to be that every individual incarnate is accompanied by one or more discarnate guides who are there to invisibly 'hold their hands' during their physical lives. In both skye and Violet's responses we have a meaningful consideration of the word 'guide', one in line with the words of spiritually evolved teachers. Skye suggests guardian but that's also not a word I favour as it could suggest someone who is able to influence events in the physical eg in terms of protection. I much prefer to use the term 'helper' when it means the individuals who we feel are helping us with general spiritual support issues.

For those whose path is that of evidential mediumship or to be a healing channel, the role of the guide(s) is much more specific and in such cases it may well be that the role of a particular guide is one which has been determined and agreed before we began our present incarnation....

Some excellent information and advice there.

Taking that on board.

Thanks.

I have to say mac that i'm not overly keen on the word guardian either, but it's one that the SNU chooses to use. I have no idea what title I would prefer to use. Some people refer to it as being their doorkeeper or gatekeeper, and some believe it is our higher self. I don't believe the spirit guardian, or whatever terminology is used, will place as much emphasis on it as we humans do

"I don't believe the spirit guardian, or whatever terminology is used, will place as much emphasis on it as we humans do"

I agree.

But those individuals already know what roles are is of whatever entities may accompany us but we can only try to understand and we may confuse ourselves by the choice of common, but inappropriate, words....

mac wrote:

But those individuals already know what roles are is of whatever entities may accompany us but we can only try to understand and we may confuse ourselves by the choice of common, but inappropriate, words....

I can't argue with that, i've seen it happen on many forums as well as in churches etc. It is preferable for us all to use the same terminology to save confusion, although i'm unconvinced that another person's word's or description will mean we don't always understand what people are referring to.

Violet wrote:It's a common belief that we all have a spirit guide whether we believe or are aware of them or not, so what happens in these cases? Does the guide work differently with them, how would a guide guide someone who did not believe? Personally I think they work with us but behind the scenes, impressing things on us, it's funny how many non believers tell me 'something told me not to do that' or 'I just had a hunch' is this their guides at work?

Does it matter if the personality beliefs in guides?
We as spirits make arrangements for a life time, the guide tries to get us to major juncture points, and if we are "lucky" we remember the flags, or trigger signals.

I believe in the concept of the "One". If this is true then guides, angels, Higher Selves are just our mind's labels to describe different aspects of the One. our Ego/Self with it's limited knowledge and capability of understanding Universal truths uses such concepts because it's what we can understand, just as a parent will speak with simplified and sometimes innacurate information to the child in order for it to grasp some useful concepts. As the child grows, more complex and true insight can be introduced but gradually and always according to the current level of understanding and accepting. Let's say when we die our spirits merge and become part of the One, like drops of water finally end ther cycle from Sky-rain-water through the earth-ocean-and then back to sky in a totally different form. This could mean the final abolishment of Ego and personality and the transformation in a form of existence we cannot understand yet, not an individual but part of a Greater One. Most people (including me !) would not be ready for such an existence.

I believe in the concept of the "One". Let's say when we die our spirits merge and become part of the One,

The second sentence seam to contradict the concept of the One. If we only become part of the One when we die, or the body dies, then there must be more then One. Then there must be something outside of the One.
The Ra Material deals extensively with the concept of the One.