Mediums, telepathy and what is being contacted....an enquiry

On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.

mac wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:Mac Sometimes there is more learning to be found in looking outside the boxes of definition and questioning them.

And sometimes it can lead to confusion and/or ambiguity.... 

Are you reluctant to even consider explaining the meaning of the tiny bit inside the box before we begin considering the universe outside of it? 

Blueanchor wrote:

On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.

Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.

Blueanchor wrote:

mac wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:Mac Sometimes there is more learning to be found in looking outside the boxes of definition and questioning them.

And sometimes it can lead to confusion and/or ambiguity.... 

Are you reluctant to even consider explaining the meaning of the tiny bit inside the box before we begin considering the universe outside of it? 

I don't want to get into another discussion about definition with you Mac because of the way the last one went.

ameliorate wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:

On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.

Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.

Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?

Blueanchor wrote:

skye wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:i agree with you, that they are likely picking up on the memories of the sitters and the connection the sitter had to the relative.

Part of me feels that they're not deliberately misleading people and they are succeeding in giving comfort to grieving people - for that grieving person, the psychic has brought their loved one back for a moment and given them the chance to say goodbye in the knowledge that they are not really gone. That psychic (and this os the label we are using here) is doing good in this world, through their belief that they are connecting to spirit.

Perhaps sometimes, the intent of proving life after death through mediumship can diminish the role of comfort, hope and compassion that mediumship and psychic connections can offer.

I don't believe psychics can bring back any one person from the world of spirit, if they are tuning into a playback of residual energy, or the exchange of information is coming from the aura of a sitter or, an inanimate object.  It demonstrates a psychic is using their sense of intuition to retrieve information from the surrounding atmosphere.  Interpretation of this alone could well mislead (deliberately or not) some sitter's into believing a psychic is in direct contact with their loved one, when in fact they could be anything but. Therefore under these circumstances it is likely the bereaved could find comfort from the session. 

I disagree with your last comment,The purpose of mediumship is to provide evidence of our continued survival. It is hoped the transfer of information can be acknowledged and validated by a recipient. In my experience, mental mediumship (the topic of the thread) is a 2 way mind to mind linking of spiritual energies. Any transference of thought usually goes from spirit, through spirit, to spirit. Thereby, surely the role of a medium is to relay the direct thoughts of the spirit person to bring comfort to their loved ones?    

The purpose of SNU mediumship is to provide evidence of the continued survival of the personality. The purpose of mediumship in my view, is to provide a vessel for spirit (and that definition goes beyond the personality) for spiritual communication in the earthly dimension. A spirit guide doesn't provide evidence of the personalities existence, but it is still spirit communication to the earthly existence, but not necessarily for comfort or to provide proof, but instead to offer wisdom and guidance.

On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.

mac wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:But doesn't that just take us back to the conversation that led on to this one, and that questionability of what is the energy of the soul - is it the personality? Is it that single cell spark of existence? Is it a higher consciousness or the culmination of everything experienced throughout a multitude of lives, of personalities or even of dimensions.

If mediumship is communication between spirit and the mind of the medium, then to define what is mediumship, we'd have to define what is spirit.

There seems no real argument to say that picking up on recently deceased relatives that may prove existence, isn't a valid aspect of spirit. But there seems an equal argument for there being more than one aspect of spirit and mediums that communicate with other aspects of spirit.

re the above highlighted text

I agree absolutely that for this and other similar discussions it's not simply helpful it's actually essential to agree among ourselves (at least) what different words and terms are intended to convey.  Once meanings have been agreed we could explain our personal approaches and what underpins them.  We all need to accept that there are no written-in-stone definitions that we must follow and it could be beneficial to agree our own - dictionary definitions simply reflect common usage and usage can, and does, change.

Some of the words we use repeatedly - medium,  psychic,   spirit,  soul,  and afterlife - might be the ones needing our attention first. 

Does anyone agree?

Blueanchor wrote:

On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.

Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.

skye wrote:

mac wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:But doesn't that just take us back to the conversation that led on to this one, and that questionability of what is the energy of the soul - is it the personality? Is it that single cell spark of existence? Is it a higher consciousness or the culmination of everything experienced throughout a multitude of lives, of personalities or even of dimensions.

If mediumship is communication between spirit and the mind of the medium, then to define what is mediumship, we'd have to define what is spirit.

There seems no real argument to say that picking up on recently deceased relatives that may prove existence, isn't a valid aspect of spirit. But there seems an equal argument for there being more than one aspect of spirit and mediums that communicate with other aspects of spirit.

re the above highlighted text

I agree absolutely that for this and other similar discussions it's not simply helpful it's actually essential to agree among ourselves (at least) what different words and terms are intended to convey.  Once meanings have been agreed we could explain our personal approaches and what underpins them.  We all need to accept that there are no written-in-stone definitions that we must follow and it could be beneficial to agree our own - dictionary definitions simply reflect common usage and usage can, and does, change.

Some of the words we use repeatedly - medium,  psychic,   spirit,  soul,  and afterlife - might be the ones needing our attention first. 

Does anyone agree?

I agree as it could prevent confusion, however the likelihood of it happening is nigh impossible.

Agreed that!  I don't follow why there is so much reluctance to even try though.  What is there to be afraid of, one wonders?

ameliorate wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:

On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.

Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.

Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?

Blueanchor wrote:

ameliorate wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:

On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.

Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.

Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?

I had an experience of a friend that died and there was a period of months after her death that I felt her around, and in which she communicated with me with learning about her life and about death. Then that energy disappeared completely. From this experience, I'm inclined to agree that the human identity or personality is only temporary layer that drops away.

When mediumship is the goal of a group (or a medium that has not developed as a psychic is teaching), then the word 'psychic' tends to be used to describe what mediumship is not... or what should not be mistaken as being mediumship. But it makes for a poor definition of what psychic is. 

A psychic connection is to spirit that animates life on earth. A psychic can often read the energy that has touched non-living objects (residue from spirit - as a dog can track a person from its scent), but it is spirit in the living that they connect with and communicate with.

ameliorate wrote:OK Mac, I am game - let's start to try and define medium, psychic, soul, spirit and the afterlife! 



As I suggested above, since mediums must also use esp (as do psychics) then maybe the only difference between them is that a medium is an ADVANCED psychic?  Otherwise, what else do they employ in making contact?


It is my understanding (also backed up by dictionaries) that the world soul or spirit can be used interchangeability, i.e. denote the same thing.

mac wrote:This thread - lodged under the umbrella heading of 'Mediumship' - started by asking specific questions about mediums and telepathy.  Anyone following it will have seen that 'medium' and 'mediumship' mean very different things to members.

Has any progress been made towards answering ameliorate's questions?

ameliorate wrote:OK Mac, I am game - let's start to try and define medium, psychic, soul, spirit and the afterlife! 



As I suggested above, since mediums must also use esp (as do psychics) then maybe the only difference between them is that a medium is an ADVANCED psychic?  Otherwise, what else do they employ in making contact?


It is my understanding (also backed up by dictionaries) that the world soul or spirit can be used interchangeability, i.e. denote the same thing.

ameliorate wrote:

mac wrote:This thread - lodged under the umbrella heading of 'Mediumship' - started by asking specific questions about mediums and telepathy.  Anyone following it will have seen that 'medium' and 'mediumship' mean very different things to members.

Has any progress been made towards answering ameliorate's questions?

Well I have learnt (amongst other things) that psychics pick up residual energy and that this seems to be more likely than a medium contacting a spirit/incarnate, unless it has been recently departed.  This is what I was most interested in finding out i.e. whether what is contacted/'picked up' could be to do with what is already known about the deceased (for instance, via the sitter - using telepathy) or whether there is indeed contact with the soul as they are after death that still pertains to them as a recognisable personality.
  

mac wrote:

ameliorate wrote:

mac wrote:This thread - lodged under the umbrella heading of 'Mediumship' - started by asking specific questions about mediums and telepathy.  Anyone following it will have seen that 'medium' and 'mediumship' mean very different things to members.

Has any progress been made towards answering ameliorate's questions?

Well I have learnt (amongst other things) that psychics pick up residual energy and that this seems to be more likely than a medium contacting a spirit/incarnate, unless it has been recently departed.  This is what I was most interested in finding out i.e. whether what is contacted/'picked up' could be to do with what is already known about the deceased (for instance, via the sitter - using telepathy) or whether there is indeed contact with the soul as they are after death that still pertains to them as a recognisable personality.
  

You've found what you're looking for and that's good. I am interested in the rest but maybe now we should leave things be.  It's unlikely we'll reach any consensus about what word should mean what.

skye wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:

ameliorate wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:

On the surface, a psychic picks up on an aura, but as they develop that connection, they reach different layers and may read the web of connections of that souls journey and those lines that spiritualism makes between living and deceased become blurred, because there is connection without barriers, to the many aspects of personality that soul has embedded - furthermore, there are energies of soul connections that blur the lines between individual lives and between the personalities that are developed in those lives. So from that perspective, when a personality meets another personality in a single life, they are connected more deeply through their souls. So sometimes, where that soul exists is not so cut and dry as in this world here and that world there.

Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.

Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?

I had an experience of a friend that died and there was a period of months after her death that I felt her around, and in which she communicated with me with learning about her life and about death. Then that energy disappeared completely. From this experience, I'm inclined to agree that the human identity or personality is only temporary layer that drops away.

When mediumship is the goal of a group (or a medium that has not developed as a psychic is teaching), then the word 'psychic' tends to be used to describe what mediumship is not... or what should not be mistaken as being mediumship. But it makes for a poor definition of what psychic is. 

A psychic connection is to spirit that animates life on earth. A psychic can often read the energy that has touched non-living objects (residue from spirit - as a dog can track a person from its scent), but it is spirit in the living that they connect with and communicate with.

There is also the possibility that once an incarnate is aware their loved ones and/or friends are as much as alive now, as they were before their physical death. then perhaps there is no reason for the spirit to delay their spiritual progression any further, and choose to move onward.
I do hope you are not referring to me as teaching anyone? If not, apologies for the error of my judgement.

Blueanchor wrote:

skye wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:

ameliorate wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:
Ame, I wrote the above to explain how the psychic connection goes way beyond the surface aura of an incarnated spirit and is able to enter into the journey of a single spark etc. But if spirit of a life energy remains as it is after the body dies, then mediums would pick up on the spirit discarnated as the psychic can pick up on the incarnated spirit.

If this is the case, then picking up the personality of spirit would be akin to reading the surface aura of that life energy. But to follow that link further, like the quoted description, spirit would appear quite different, but in essence it is the same life force being viewed at varied depths. Perhaps intent (what we want to see of spirit) is the only real difference in what people end up seeing.

Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?

I had an experience of a friend that died and there was a period of months after her death that I felt her around, and in which she communicated with me with learning about her life and about death. Then that energy disappeared completely. From this experience, I'm inclined to agree that the human identity or personality is only temporary layer that drops away.

When mediumship is the goal of a group (or a medium that has not developed as a psychic is teaching), then the word 'psychic' tends to be used to describe what mediumship is not... or what should not be mistaken as being mediumship. But it makes for a poor definition of what psychic is. 

A psychic connection is to spirit that animates life on earth. A psychic can often read the energy that has touched non-living objects (residue from spirit - as a dog can track a person from its scent), but it is spirit in the living that they connect with and communicate with.

There is also the possibility that once an incarnate is aware their loved ones and/or friends are as much as alive now, as they were before their physical death. then perhaps there is no reason for the spirit to delay their spiritual progression any further, and choose to move onward.
I do hope you are not referring to me as teaching anyone? If not, apologies for the error of my judgement.

If I'd have meant that, I'd have said so Skye.

I don't like insinuations as have been made about me not sharing definitions and I don't do it myself about other people.

Blueanchor wrote:I'll just point you in the direction of reading my posts Mac.

In them you'll find definitions of what an SNU medium does and is and of what a medium as a vessel for spirit to communicate does and is.

You'll also find clear and detailed definitions of what a psychic connection is.

What you won't find is a clear definition of what constitutes the spirit. This is the question that started this conversation and I've enjoyed considering the possibilities of what can be defined as spirit. Hence why it serves to learn more to not define it.

Listening to Skye on her experience as a medium, I do believe that she has two way conversation with the discarnated personality.  But, like Ame, I don't believe (or might go so far as to say that I know) that the surface personality is not the whole of a human being, let alone the whole picture of spirit.

So there you have it, the definitions were not exactly hidden for you to read

skye wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:

skye wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:

ameliorate wrote:
Thanks for this explanation.  I realise it is not a cut and dried issue i.e. either this or that.

I am thinking though that the probability of the 'spirit of a life energy' remaining as it is after the body dies is only temporary before its journey onwards.  I would be interested to know if such contact is made a long time after the person dies i.e. not constituting residual energy.

There has been a distinction made on this thread between mediums and psychics, e.g. that psychics pick up residual energy but mediums can more directly contact the departed soul.  Do mediums use more than esp (extra sensory perception) then?  If not then surely they are ADVANCED psychics!?

I had an experience of a friend that died and there was a period of months after her death that I felt her around, and in which she communicated with me with learning about her life and about death. Then that energy disappeared completely. From this experience, I'm inclined to agree that the human identity or personality is only temporary layer that drops away.

When mediumship is the goal of a group (or a medium that has not developed as a psychic is teaching), then the word 'psychic' tends to be used to describe what mediumship is not... or what should not be mistaken as being mediumship. But it makes for a poor definition of what psychic is. 

A psychic connection is to spirit that animates life on earth. A psychic can often read the energy that has touched non-living objects (residue from spirit - as a dog can track a person from its scent), but it is spirit in the living that they connect with and communicate with.

There is also the possibility that once an incarnate is aware their loved ones and/or friends are as much as alive now, as they were before their physical death. then perhaps there is no reason for the spirit to delay their spiritual progression any further, and choose to move onward.
I do hope you are not referring to me as teaching anyone? If not, apologies for the error of my judgement.

If I'd have meant that, I'd have said so Skye.

I don't like insinuations as have been made about me not sharing definitions and I don't do it myself about other people.

I haven't made any insinuations about you so why mention it in your reply?

mac wrote:

Blueanchor wrote:I'll just point you in the direction of reading my posts Mac.

In them you'll find definitions of what an SNU medium does and is and of what a medium as a vessel for spirit to communicate does and is.

You'll also find clear and detailed definitions of what a psychic connection is.

What you won't find is a clear definition of what constitutes the spirit. This is the question that started this conversation and I've enjoyed considering the possibilities of what can be defined as spirit. Hence why it serves to learn more to not define it.

Listening to Skye on her experience as a medium, I do believe that she has two way conversation with the discarnated personality.  But, like Ame, I don't believe (or might go so far as to say that I know) that the surface personality is not the whole of a human being, let alone the whole picture of spirit.

So there you have it, the definitions were not exactly hidden for you to read

In posting #73 I suggested we might want consider the meanings of  "medium,  psychic,   spirit,  soul,  and afterlife".   You could have written a sentence or two rather than just point me (quote) "..in the direction of reading" your posts.  Your meanings - all our meanings - were for others to consider.  Were they too meant to go looking?

 I have already read what you've written on various subjects but some, short simple statements would have been easier to deal with.  My idea was to see if we could find common ground on the meanings of words.  Perhaps you're not interested in that?

I agree that nailing a simple meaning for 'spirit' might be tricky but I just wanted to learn what it meant to us individually - I wasn't seeking to define it any more than I was seeking to define any others. 

I don't know what a (quote) "discarnated personality" means.  Something else where a simple explanation would be helpful to see if we could find common ground over its meaning.

To respond to you final sentence, I didn't ask for definitions I asked about meanings.  If I wanted a definition I'd consult several dictionaries.  I wouldn't accept you as a single source for one any more than I would accept any other individual's version - including my own.

Yes the way you use the words I asked about, their meaning for you are (quote) "not exactly hidden" but did you think it's so important that I would search through all your material?  I'm interested in what you believe but please don't treat me like you're a professor and I'm a student desperately seeking your counsel.