Violet wrote:Imo there is nothing physical that travels with us to the spirit world when our physical body dies how can it? The brain remains in the body to decay this proves imo that memories, personality and such are not physical and are not stored in the physical otherwise they would be lost at death, we do not breathe in spirit, we do not even speak (as we know it now,) how can we, we have no tongue, no vocal chords. We are spiritual energy and I believe it is this energy that stores such things in the physical, it's what sets us all apart otherwise all us humans would be like robots, it is this essence, this energy, this spirit which holds memories, emotions, love.
Think some more, about Alzheimer cases (just for example) often their memories are seemingly lost because of their condition, they forget who family members are, so how do they come through in readings after they pass with their memories still in tact, if such things were stored in the brain and the brain went to spiritworld too they would be the same, no memory still with alzheimers. It is not the body that is healed when we cross, for there is no body to heal, our spirit self free from the bonds of flesh and illness and pain imo is simply free.
i'll shut up now
Joanie wrote:mac wrote:Joanie wrote:I would be very interested,Peter if you could find out.
I read awhile ago,now not sure if it was one of the SB's books that in the etheric body,we are formed like the physical body but minus the organs like the stomach,heart etc all the bits that we needed on earth to keep the physical body nourished and to breathe.
Brain,I am not sure of.
As the brain controls all the physical functions then it might be expected that if they're not present, cos they're not needed, a controlling mechanism wouldn't be needed for 'em.....
Yuh kinda get the impression that in the etheric we're just hollow vessels!
Everything on the outside and nowt in the inside.
Now don't quote me,but I am sure the book said we still had lungs to breathe.
I may be wrong but there was mention of air to breathe.
Joanie wrote:mac wrote:Joanie wrote:I would be very interested,Peter if you could find out.
I read awhile ago,now not sure if it was one of the SB's books that in the etheric body,we are formed like the physical body but minus the organs like the stomach,heart etc all the bits that we needed on earth to keep the physical body nourished and to breathe.
Brain,I am not sure of.
As the brain controls all the physical functions then it might be expected that if they're not present, cos they're not needed, a controlling mechanism wouldn't be needed for 'em.....
Yuh kinda get the impression that in the etheric we're just hollow vessels!
Now don't quote me,but I am sure the book said we still had lungs to breathe.
I may be wrong but there was mention of air to breathe.
Violet wrote:Imo there is nothing physical that travels with us to the spirit world when our physical body dies how can it? The brain remains in the body to decay this proves imo that memories, personality and such are not physical and are not stored in the physical otherwise they would be lost at death, we do not breathe in spirit, we do not even speak (as we know it now,) how can we, we have no tongue, no vocal chords. We are spiritual energy and I believe it is this energy that stores such things in the physical, it's what sets us all apart otherwise all us humans would be like robots, it is this essence, this energy, this spirit which holds memories, emotions, love.
Think some more, about Alzheimer cases (just for example) often their memories are seemingly lost because of their condition, they forget who family members are, so how do they come through in readings after they pass with their memories still in tact, if such things were stored in the brain and the brain went to spiritworld too they would be the same, no memory still with alzheimers. It is not the body that is healed when we cross, for there is no body to heal, our spirit self free from the bonds of flesh and illness and pain imo is simply free.
i'll shut up now
Joanie wrote:Now that was something that was never mentioned,Mac.
But remember the description of angels?
How are they shown in pictures?
Have you noticed they are shown as having blue eyes.
Why?
Violet wrote:Imo because we no longer physically 'see' there would be no need for eyes however I believe spirits can appear to us looking as physical as you and me complete with eyes and all.
Joanie wrote:Conciousness? Isn't there something mentioned about our conciousness and the brain?
Does our consciousness go with us?
Are our memories stored there?
Ooh,this is all getting beyond me now.
I give up.
Possibly correct,Mac.mac wrote:Joanie wrote:Now that was something that was never mentioned,Mac.
But remember the description of angels?
How are they shown in pictures?
Have you noticed they are shown as having blue eyes.
Why?
You'd have to put that question to the artists who portrayed them that way, Joanie... Maybe, though, it's certain societies' idealised view of perfect beings? blue eyes, golden hair....
Ok,we started off with the question of what physical organs do we need in the spirit body?mac wrote:Joanie wrote:Conciousness? Isn't there something mentioned about our conciousness and the brain?
Does our consciousness go with us?
Are our memories stored there?
Ooh,this is all getting beyond me now.
I give up.
Easier to stick to the simpler issues we've been considering - consciousness is an altogether different one.
Joanie wrote:Ok,we started off with the question of what physical organs do we need in the spirit body?mac wrote:Joanie wrote:Conciousness? Isn't there something mentioned about our conciousness and the brain?
Does our consciousness go with us?
Are our memories stored there?
Ooh,this is all getting beyond me now.
I give up.
Easier to stick to the simpler issues we've been considering - consciousness is an altogether different one.
The most I can remember was definately lungs.
So fresh air in spirit I would imagine,so also an etheric pair of eyes.
Plus memories must be stored somewhere in the spirit body.
Waiting for Peter to find out...........
Joanie wrote:When you have the time,Mac. No worries.
Cheers Mac!mac wrote:Joanie wrote:When you have the time,Mac. No worries.
I'll see what I can do later today....
Joanie wrote:Cheers Mac!mac wrote:Joanie wrote:When you have the time,Mac. No worries.
I'll see what I can do later today....
Have a good trip,me old mate.imo light for us here is totally different to light in the etheric, how does a blind medium see spirits, how does a blindfolded medium see spirits, how do we see spirits and light in meditation, how do we see people who are not physically there and light in dreams, we aren't using our vision in such circumstances but we still 'see' very clearly.mac wrote:Violet wrote:Imo because we no longer physically 'see' there would be no need for eyes however I believe spirits can appear to us looking as physical as you and me complete with eyes and all.
Yes we know that we can no longer physically see but how do we know that eyes are not used?
Hi Mac
What eyes would be used? etheric ones? Many mediums can see spirits without using their eyes I believe spirits have the same ability, imo there is no need for any eyes.
Yes discarnates can appear to us in the way we knew them in the physical but that doesn't mean that they don't also appear to one another in much the same fashion....
That is probably exactly how they do appear to each other, especially in the early days
If we don't have vision, then how is light perceived in the etheric - and why would there be light at all if vision isn't used?
OTT--|OFF topicViolet wrote:imo light for us here is totally different to light in the etheric, how does a blind medium see spirits, how does a blindfolded medium see spirits, how do we see spirits and light in meditation, how do we see people who are not physically there and light in dreams, we aren't using our vision in such circumstances but we still 'see' very clearly.mac wrote:Violet wrote:Imo because we no longer physically 'see' there would be no need for eyes however I believe spirits can appear to us looking as physical as you and me complete with eyes and all.
Yes we know that we can no longer physically see but how do we know that eyes are not used?
Hi Mac
What eyes would be used? etheric ones? Many mediums can see spirits without using their eyes I believe spirits have the same ability, imo there is no need for any eyes.
Yes discarnates can appear to us in the way we knew them in the physical but that doesn't mean that they don't also appear to one another in much the same fashion....
That is probably exactly how they do appear to each other, especially in the early days
If we don't have vision, then how is light perceived in the etheric - and why would there be light at all if vision isn't used?
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all nonsense!!!
Peter
Violet wrote:Mac did you want to continue this diiscussion?
