The Wisdom of Near-Death Experiences

SpiritVoices wrote:I have never experienced a NDE so cannot recount an experience,but if it is the same as I have experienced through lucid dreams then I would say they are near enough the same.

The difference between NDE's is one being near physical death and the other is a very clear dream or seems like a dream,but remember we do not always remember normal dreams.   NDE's are never forgotten neither are Lucid dreams.   We FEEL and KNOW we have visited somewhere that is beyond our scope to normally visit in a Physical life.

I cannot explain it in clear terms what it is like to 'see' the other side.
It is something never forgotten...

Knight of Albion wrote:A new book on NDEs 'The Wisdom of Near-Death Experiences' by Dr Penny Sartori, is to be published in February.

The book has just had the most tremendous write-up in the Daily Mail... 

Here is the article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545668/Is-proof-near-death-experiences-ARE-real-Extraordinary-new-book-intensive-care-nurse-reveals-dramatic-evidence-says-banish-fear-dying.html

Knight of Albion wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:I have never experienced a NDE so cannot recount an experience,but if it is the same as I have experienced through lucid dreams then I would say they are near enough the same.

The difference between NDE's is one being near physical death and the other is a very clear dream or seems like a dream,but remember we do not always remember normal dreams.   NDE's are never forgotten neither are Lucid dreams.   We FEEL and KNOW we have visited somewhere that is beyond our scope to normally visit in a Physical life.

I cannot explain it in clear terms what it is like to 'see' the other side.
It is something never forgotten...

Orthodoxy has turned 'death' into something terrifying, a big black monster. 

To our ancestors 'death' was merely a transition, a journey into another realm, as natural as the changing of the seasons. 

Most people who have undergone a NDE lose their fear of death. If these accounts and others like them help create a greater acceptance and understanding of the continuity of life then that can only be a good thing, especially when accompanied by the message of love - something else most people who undergo a NDE pick up on...

SpiritVoices wrote:

Knight of Albion wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:I have never experienced a NDE so cannot recount an experience,but if it is the same as I have experienced through lucid dreams then I would say they are near enough the same.

The difference between NDE's is one being near physical death and the other is a very clear dream or seems like a dream,but remember we do not always remember normal dreams.   NDE's are never forgotten neither are Lucid dreams.   We FEEL and KNOW we have visited somewhere that is beyond our scope to normally visit in a Physical life.

I cannot explain it in clear terms what it is like to 'see' the other side.
It is something never forgotten...

Orthodoxy has turned 'death' into something terrifying, a big black monster. 

To our ancestors 'death' was merely a transition, a journey into another realm, as natural as the changing of the seasons. 

Most people who have undergone a NDE lose their fear of death. If these accounts and others like them help create a greater acceptance and understanding of the continuity of life then that can only be a good thing, especially when accompanied by the message of love - something else most people who undergo a NDE pick up on...

I lost my fear of death after my husband passed over.    I saw the peaceful way he he left this world,sleeping away into spirit.   Same with my mother,she drifted along through sleep straight into spirit.   Opened her eyes at the end and I got a lovely smile from her as she left...That was enough to convince me..... 

SpiritVoices wrote:There you see,we mock at dreams.....it may have been wishful thinking on your part but I say your mother was letting you know she is still with you.....

SpiritVoices wrote:My proof came that a spirit world does exist was asking my husband to show me what this world looked like.  (Spirit world).

I felt ashamed about making this request as he hadn't been gone long.
A sort of a test to prove to myself that he was really in some sort of another kind of world.

A couple of days went by and I had the most unusual dream.
It started as an ordinary dream,with both of us shopping in town.
A small town where we often to go....
A normal dream of memories...

He took me the hand and even though he didn't speak,I got the words he was going to show me something...

Next we were standing on the top of a small mountain.  
Looking down below,I saw the most beautiful scenery,colourful  and bright.  
Bushes,flowers and greenery.    Colours out of this world.

What took my breath away was the colour of the water,the sea down below.

Just think of every shade of blue,green and turquoise colours,far brighter than we see here.
I wish I could paint and show you the colours I saw!

That convinced me and I need no further proof to know there is another country like earth somewhere.   Just more wonderful than our earth here....

SpiritVoices wrote:Just read the account of a NDE.    I have read many accounts of NDE's,and what I like about them is that each case is very similiar to each other....which to me proves that NDE's are genuine.     Also read that that the passing into spirit is much the same.

Seeing those who have died before us.....so why are they trying to blame a disfunction of the brain?

Azrael wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:Just read the account of a NDE.    I have read many accounts of NDE's,and what I like about them is that each case is very similiar to each other....which to me proves that NDE's are genuine.     Also read that that the passing into spirit is much the same.

Seeing those who have died before us.....so why are they trying to blame a disfunction of the brain?

I would say that's more than likely what it is. Not so much "brain disfunction" but the brain preparing you for death. With no absolute way to prove NDE's and you only have the word of the person that experienced it. Have those people lied? No I do not think they have lied but I do think what they are seeing is the brains way of preparing them for death even it does not occur.

SpiritVoices wrote:

Azrael wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:Just read the account of a NDE.    I have read many accounts of NDE's,and what I like about them is that each case is very similiar to each other....which to me proves that NDE's are genuine.     Also read that that the passing into spirit is much the same.

Seeing those who have died before us.....so why are they trying to blame a disfunction of the brain?

I would say that's more than likely what it is. Not so much "brain disfunction" but the brain preparing you for death. With no absolute way to prove NDE's and you only have the word of the person that experienced it. Have those people lied? No I do not think they have lied but I do think what they are seeing is the brains way of preparing them for death even it does not occur.

Sleep is often described as 'the little death'...

ameliorate wrote:Azrael...how do you account for my post no. 13?  It cannot be explained away by brain chemistry.

Azrael wrote:

ameliorate wrote:Azrael...how do you account for my post no. 13?  It cannot be explained away by brain chemistry.

You don't know that and neither do I.

Er...what?  Did you even read that post?    

How do you account for, in the NDE experience, he met his sister amongst the other dead relatives that he thought to be alive - only to later learn she had recently been killed?  How can this be explained by brain chemistry pray tell?

ameliorate wrote:

Azrael wrote:

ameliorate wrote:Azrael...how do you account for my post no. 13?  It cannot be explained away by brain chemistry.

You don't know that and neither do I.

Er...what?  Did you even read that post?    

How do you account for, in the NDE experience, he met his sister amongst the other dead relatives that he thought to be alive - only to later learn she had recently been killed?  How can this be explained by brain chemistry pray tell?