Big change coming

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Recently I pulled the Tower, Death, Wheel of fortune, and 10 of swords cards, one each day, one after another.

This is how I know big change is coming.

mac wrote:Thank you for explaining that Tarot is often used to try to foretell the future.  It confirms my thoughts about the subject.  Seekers may similarly look to 'mediums' - mistaking psychics for mediums - to try to find out about their future.  They seek predictions....

I've often explained to such seekers that a medium won't try to tell the future.  I tell them 'the future' doesn't exist as some invariable outcome - the future is what eventually actually happens and there may be many potential outcomes.  I have explained in terms very similar to your own.

My own approach has been that what I expect from Tarot is similar to what I'd expect from psychism. You've reinforced I've been right in that.

While I agree with you about psychics and mediums, at the same time mediums do 'speak' with spirits, and spirits actually live outside of time, so in theory a medium could gain knowledge of probable futures through their communications with spirits.

https://inmysacredspace.com/timelessness-in-the-afterlife/

Psychics presumably do this more directly.

In the UK, SNU evidential mediums ('spiritual mediums') don't 'tell the future'.  Unaffiliated mediums and other practitioners are free to do whatever they choose of course.

As I've mentioned elsewhere on numerous occasions, discarnates have a different perspective on our physical world.  The ones closest to us - guides/helpers or what have you - will have a strong awareness, and more probably a detailed knowledge of, events intended and planned for the incarnate they guide/support.  As such they will closely follow, maybe influence, events in that individual's earth life.  Along with the broader perspective of a guide there may well be sufficient information to indicate a probable outcome should the occasion arise - making a prediction if you will.

Whether many other spirits would also have that information and be able to deliver it to a medium as a meaningful prediction for an individual I really don't know.  I expect some will and this may be the source of certain predictions that come to pass.

There is though - I suggest - a difference between what's generally considered as prediction (implying inevitability) and well-informed assessment of the probability of events occurring.

mac wrote:In the UK, SNU evidential mediums ('spiritual mediums') don't 'tell the future'.  Unaffiliated mediums and other practitioners are free to do whatever they choose of course.

As I've mentioned elsewhere on numerous occasions, discarnates have a different perspective on our physical world.  The ones closest to us - guides/helpers or what have you - will have a strong awareness, and more probably a detailed knowledge of, events intended and planned for the incarnate they guide/support.  As such they will closely follow, maybe influence, events in that individual's earth life.  Along with the broader perspective of a guide there may well be sufficient information to indicate a probable outcome should the occasion arise - making a prediction if you will.

Whether many other spirits would also have that information and be able to deliver it to a medium as a meaningful prediction for an individual I really don't know.  I expect some will and this may be the source of certain predictions that come to pass.

There is though - I suggest - a difference between what's generally considered as prediction (implying inevitability) and well-informed assessment of the probability of events occurring.

That makes sense to me.   Yes, 'passing along the information' would most describe a medium's 'prophecy', IMO.

That said, I don't personally equate 'prophecy' with inevitability.  Some are, such as my example in post #24, but as I explained in the same post, 'prophecy' could include outcomes of less than certain potentiality of happening, allowing some room for influencing to a different outcome.  IMO, both potentialities that reach an outcome and those that don't are 'prophecy' - it's just that in the latter that alternative, for whatever reason, did not come to pass.

I suppose one could adopt the definition that 'prophecy' could only included those predictions that came to pass - but I personally think that contradicts an important part of the mechanism.   Perhaps a word should be devised for those predictions that don't come true, but were a true 'prophecy' of a high potentiality that was averted.

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mac wrote:In the UK, SNU evidential mediums ('spiritual mediums') don't 'tell the future'.  Unaffiliated mediums and other practitioners are free to do whatever they choose of course.

As I've mentioned elsewhere on numerous occasions, discarnates have a different perspective on our physical world.  The ones closest to us - guides/helpers or what have you - will have a strong awareness, and more probably a detailed knowledge of, events intended and planned for the incarnate they guide/support.  As such they will closely follow, maybe influence, events in that individual's earth life.  Along with the broader perspective of a guide there may well be sufficient information to indicate a probable outcome should the occasion arise - making a prediction if you will.

Whether many other spirits would also have that information and be able to deliver it to a medium as a meaningful prediction for an individual I really don't know.  I expect some will and this may be the source of certain predictions that come to pass.

There is though - I suggest - a difference between what's generally considered as prediction (implying inevitability) and well-informed assessment of the probability of events occurring.

That makes sense to me.   Yes, 'passing along the information' would most describe a mediu................. think that contradicts an important part of the mechanism.   Perhaps a word should be devised for those predictions that don't come true, but were a true 'prophecy' of a high potentiality that was averted.

in bold text - I agree

Just for my curiosity, what is the general feeling (if there is one) of Tarot practitioners concerning the next phase and eventual outcome of the present pandemic?

Do you mean what Tarot practitioners personally think will happen, or do you mean has a Tarot practitioner done a reading on the present pandemic?

Gardenia wrote:Do you mean what Tarot practitioners personally think will happen, or do you mean has a Tarot practitioner done a reading on the present pandemic?

This is the Tarot forum so I wondered what Tarot cards might tell a practitioner if (s)he were to seek insight on the subject I asked about. I'm not interested in anyone's personal thoughts or ideas.

I haven't done a reading on the pandemic situation myself. It's not something I'm entirely opposed to though. I'll give it some further thought.

Gardenia wrote:I haven't done a reading on the pandemic situation myself. It's not something I'm entirely opposed to though. I'll give it some further thought.

Before you do anything may I ask some questions?

1. Why might you be opposed to it at all?

2. What would you expect / hope for if you carried out 'a reading'?

3. From what / whom would you get indications/predictions of the pandemic's eventual outcome?

1. I'm not entirely opposed to it, as I said. As I also said, I'll give it some thought. If I was opposed to it, it would be because I get the impression you are trying to perform some sort of test.

2. I wouldn't expect anything and I wouldn't hope for anything.

3. If I knew the answer to that question, I would be God.

Gardenia wrote:1. I'm not entirely opposed to it, as I said. As I also said, I'll give it some thought. If I was opposed to it, it would be because I get the impression you are trying to perform some sort of test.

I wondered, and then asked, because you said you weren't entirely opposed to looking into the situation.  That suggests you are somewhat opposed to it. The thread title is 'Big Change Coming' and it's been posted in the 'Tarot and Oracle Cards' discussion forum so consequently - given all that's happening on a global scale - I had wondered if the pandemic was the big change 'in the cards' so to speak.  

I wasn't trying to perform any sort of test. I have no understanding of Tarot but I suppose it might be considered a test were one to try to discover whether the pandemic and the big change coming are linked. Would that be a problem?