mediumship

Skye2 wrote:
I agree mac, it isn't easy for anyone. Word of mouth is usually the best way to seek a reputable practitioner but even this may not be of help to everyone.    

Crystal wrote:

mac wrote:

Crystal wrote:Yes, absolutely, but are they practitioners? T........

What matters is if their efforts mislead others - I don't care if they're misleading themselves.

What did I miss, what did you ask about Tarot? Or should we start another thread so not to distract from mediumship?

Crystal wrote:

Skye2 wrote:
I agree mac, it isn't easy for anyone. Word of mouth is usually the best way to seek a reputable practitioner but even this may not be of help to everyone.    

Before the internet that was really all there was. Everyone knew who the healers, readers and mediums were and they did not need to advertise, in fact for many they were secretive and arcane, often hiding their true talents too. They were few and far between with real and strong natural abilities.

Crystal wrote:

Skye2 wrote:
I agree mac, it isn't easy for anyone. Word of mouth is usually the best way to seek a reputable practitioner but even this may not be of help to everyone.    

Before the internet that was really all there was. Everyone knew who the healers, readers and mediums were and they did not need to advertise, in fact for many they were secretive and arcane, often hiding their true talents too. They were few and far between with real and strong natural abilities.

 I don't know what you missed but in summary I asked Tarot practitioners to explain exactly what it is that they do.  I asked a similar set of questions on a number of websites

Auras wrote:

 I don't know what you missed but in summary I asked Tarot practitioners to explain exactly what it is that they do.  I asked a similar set of questions on a number of websites

Why would you ask that when you clearly know that everyone reads tarot in so many different ways? The way that suits them best. What is the purpose of it all? What do you gain from it? Knowledge, Understanding?

skye wrote:

Crystal wrote:

Skye2 wrote:
I agree mac, it isn't easy for anyone. Word of mouth is usually the best way to seek a reputable practitioner but even this may not be of help to everyone.    

Before the internet that was really all there was. Everyone knew who the healers, readers and mediums were and they did not need to advertise, in fact for many they were secretive and arcane, often hiding their true talents too. They were few and far between with real and strong natural abilities.

I know there were good and bad practitioners before the internet. I believe this will always be the case too. Word of mouth helps those seeking a medium in the local vicinity, yet, for those living a distance away or perhaps in another country, it may not be of any use. The internet does have positives as well as negatives. People can now access information that before may not have been easily available to them. Research will enable them to read information and then act with their instinct as to whether a particular medium is worth spending their hard earned money on. 

Unfortunately (although some would say fortunately) progress has meant the old style of teaching is unpopular with a majority of people. This has led to a decline in standards both privately and within some Spiritual Churches. 

Totally of track here and I understand it's said for a specific reason - to safeguard the public - but I do believe such words as 'For Entertainment Purposes Only' has a negative impact on mediumship.

mac wrote:

skye wrote:

Crystal wrote:

Skye2 wrote:
I agree mac, it isn't easy for anyone. Word of mouth is usually the best way to seek a reputable practitioner but even this may not be of help to everyone.    

Before the internet that was really all there was. Everyone knew who the healers, readers and mediums were and they did not need to advertise, in fact for many they were secretive and arcane, often hiding their true talents too. They were few and far between with real and strong natural abilities.

I know there were good and bad practitioners before the internet. I believe this will always be the case too. Word of mouth helps those seeking a medium in the local vicinity, yet, for those living a distance away or perhaps in another country, it may not be of any use. The internet does have positives as well as negatives. People can now access information that before may not have been easily available to them. Research will enable them to read information and then act with their instinct as to whether a particular medium is worth spending their hard earned money on. 

Unfortunately (although some would say fortunately) progress has meant the old style of teaching is unpopular with a majority of people. This has led to a decline in standards both privately and within some Spiritual Churches. 

Totally of track here and I understand it's said for a specific reason - to safeguard the public - but I do believe such words as 'For Entertainment Purposes Only' has a negative impact on mediumship.

The World Wide Web has made possible communication on a scale almost unimaginable not so very long ago.  This current generation may never have known anything different from our 'always on' world, the ability to contact anyone, anywhere, any time via smart phone, tablet or computer. (save for those who encounter the nuisance of time differences between countries) 

Yet when I 'speak', as regularly I do, to forum members in the USA the Internet has little to offer in terms of locating a reliable medium.  In truth a medium in the USA may be so different from those in the UK as to make it seem we're speaking about wholly different things!   Even where there is information, though, it's only as relevant as the knowledge and experience of those who post it allows.  Little difference, then, from word of mouth or adverts. We still have a parochial situation if we seek a medium's help.

I know I bang on about this time after time but what I find online time are situations where those I am engaging with have little understanding of the fundamentals.  They may see psychism as mediumship and have little understanding about life, death and survival.  The Internet seemingly does little to illuminate their ignorance and may even mislead.  In many ways that's totally understandable.  Only what's been posted can be found and the diamonds are concealed in the mud.  Even where good information is available one needs to know where to look and there's so much dross that finding it can take a very long time and much effort, even when using today's wonderful search engines.  We have information overload.

The legislation that demands mediums say a sitting is "for entertainment only" probably does little harm as many approach it from that direction anyway.  For serious seekers the situation can be explained by knowledgeable and conscientious practitioners with no harm done in my view.

skye wrote:
The reason why I say legislation has a negative impact is because in my warped way of thinking, it may initially give the wrong impression to the recently bereaved when they read or see the words and literally believe them. Obviously mediums with integrity welcome the legislation with open arms as it prevents charlatans from carrying out their fraudulent work and doing more harm than good to both the seeker and to those working in the mediumistic field.

Crystal wrote:

skye wrote:
The reason why I say legislation has a negative impact is because in my warped way of thinking, it may initially give the wrong impression to the recently bereaved when they read or see the words and literally believe them. Obviously mediums with integrity welcome the legislation with open arms as it prevents charlatans from carrying out their fraudulent work and doing more harm than good to both the seeker and to those working in the mediumistic field.

If b....... from prosecution and law suits. However the jury is still out on this one lol. In theory how can a medium really prove their are real?

mac wrote:

Crystal wrote:

skye wrote:
The reason why I say legislation has a negative impact is because in my warped way of thinking, it may initially give the wrong impression to the recently bereaved when they read or see the words and literally believe them. Obviously mediums with integrity welcome the legislation with open arms as it prevents charlatans from carrying out their fraudulent work and doing more harm than good to both the seeker and to those working in the mediumistic field.

If b....... from prosecution and law suits. However the jury is still out on this one lol. In theory how can a medium really prove their are real?

Firstly there would need to be a legally recognised definition of 'medium' and 'mediumship'.  Then one might be able to show that particular service had, or had not, been provided. 

Whether the new legislation will have much impact on activities remains to be seen.

Auras wrote:

mac wrote:

Crystal wrote:

skye wrote:
The reason why I say legislation has a negative impact is because in my warped way of thinking, it may initially give the wrong impression to the recently bereaved when they read or see the words and literally believe them. Obviously mediums with integrity welcome the legislation with open arms as it prevents charlatans from carrying out their fraudulent work and doing more harm than good to both the seeker and to those working in the mediumistic field.

If b....... from prosecution and law suits. However the jury is still out on this one lol. In theory how can a medium really prove their are real?

Firstly there would need to be a legally recognised definition of 'medium' and 'mediumship'.  Then one might be able to show that particular service had, or had not, been provided. 

Whether the new legislation will have much impact on activities remains to be seen.

They would provide they are real by providing accurate evidence. That's it.

But, In my understanding, I believe that proof is suppose to provided. If people think your fake, You have nothing to prove nothing but to yourself.

You will most likely, Here lot's of people say they are a medium on the internet, As you have lot's of things to back-up for there assumptions. Like, Facebook, You could look at pictures of there deceased ect.

Crystal wrote:

skye wrote:
The reason why I say legislation has a negative impact is because in my warped way of thinking, it may initially give the wrong impression to the recently bereaved when they read or see the words and literally believe them. Obviously mediums with integrity welcome the legislation with open arms as it prevents charlatans from carrying out their fraudulent work and doing more harm than good to both the seeker and to those working in the mediumistic field.

... In theory how can a medium really prove their are real?

skye wrote:

Auras wrote:

mac wrote:

Crystal wrote:

skye wrote:
The reason why I say legislation has a negative impact is because in my warped way of thinking, it may initially give the wrong impression to the recently bereaved when they read or see the words and literally believe them. Obviously mediums with integrity welcome the legislation with open arms as it prevents charlatans from carrying out their fraudulent work and doing more harm than good to both the seeker and to those working in the mediumistic field.

If b....... from prosecution and law suits. However the jury is still out on this one lol. In theory how can a medium really prove their are real?

Firstly there would need to be a legally recognised definition of 'medium' and 'mediumship'.  Then one might be able to show that particular service had, or had not, been provided. 

Whether the new legislation will have much impact on activities remains to be seen.

They would provide they are real by providing accurate evidence. That's it.

But, In my understanding, I believe that proof is suppose to provided. If people think your fake, You have nothing to prove nothing but to yourself.

You will most likely, Here lot's of people say they are a medium on the internet, As you have lot's of things to back-up for there assumptions. Like, Facebook, You could look at pictures of there deceased ect.

In practice, a spiritual medium is expected to deliver accurate evidence of our survival. However, the question Crystal asked was, In theory' how can a medium prove they are real? 

Also, as a demonstration of mediumship is an experiment, no guarantee of communication can ever be given.

Auras wrote:

mac wrote:

Crystal wrote:

skye wrote:
The reason why I say legislation has a negative impact is because in my warped way of thinking, it may initially give the wrong impression to the recently bereaved when they read or see the words and literally believe them. Obviously mediums with integrity welcome the legislation with open arms as it prevents charlatans from carrying out their fraudulent work and doing more harm than good to both the seeker and to those working in the mediumistic field.

If b....... from prosecution and law suits. However the jury is still out on this one lol. In theory how can a medium really prove their are real?

Firstly there would need to be a legally recognised definition of 'medium' and 'mediumship'.  Then one might be able to show that particular service had, or had not, been provided. 

Whether the new legislation will have much impact on activities remains to be seen.

They would provide they are real by providing accurate evidence. That's it.

But, In my understanding, I believe that proof is suppose to provided. If people think your fake, You have nothing to prove nothing but to yourself.

You will most likely, Here lot's of people say they are a medium on the internet, As you have lot's of things to back-up for there assumptions. Like, Facebook, You could look at pictures of there deceased ect.

skye wrote:

Crystal wrote:

skye wrote:
The reason why I say legislation has a negative impact is because in my warped way of thinking, it may initially give the wrong impression to the recently bereaved when they read or see the words and literally believe them. Obviously mediums with integrity welcome the legislation with open arms as it prevents charlatans from carrying out their fraudulent work and doing more harm than good to both the seeker and to those working in the mediumistic field.

... In theory how can a medium really prove their are real?

 This I imagine would not be easy.

Auras wrote:

skye wrote:

Auras wrote:

mac wrote:

Crystal wrote:

If b....... from prosecution and law suits. However the jury is still out on this one lol. In theory how can a medium really prove their are real?

Firstly there would need to be a legally recognised definition of 'medium' and 'mediumship'.  Then one might be able to show that particular service had, or had not, been provided. 

Whether the new legislation will have much impact on activities remains to be seen.

They would provide they are real by providing accurate evidence. That's it.

But, In my understanding, I believe that proof is suppose to provided. If people think your fake, You have nothing to prove nothing but to yourself.

You will most likely, Here lot's of people say they are a medium on the internet, As you have lot's of things to back-up for there assumptions. Like, Facebook, You could look at pictures of there deceased ect.

In practice, a spiritual medium is expected to deliver accurate evidence of our survival. However, the question Crystal asked was, In theory' how can a medium prove they are real? 

Also, as a demonstration of mediumship is an experiment, no guarantee of communication can ever be given.

Basically, You have just stated that mediumship is an experiment....

To me it is not.

Auras wrote:

skye wrote:

Auras wrote:

mac wrote:

Crystal wrote:

If b....... from prosecution and law suits. However the jury is still out on this one lol. In theory how can a medium really prove their are real?

Firstly there would need to be a legally recognised definition of 'medium' and 'mediumship'.  Then one might be able to show that particular service had, or had not, been provided. 

Whether the new legislation will have much impact on activities remains to be seen.

They would provide they are real by providing accurate evidence. That's it.

But, In my understanding, I believe that proof is suppose to provided. If people think your fake, You have nothing to prove nothing but to yourself.

You will most likely, Here lot's of people say they are a medium on the internet, As you have lot's of things to back-up for there assumptions. Like, Facebook, You could look at pictures of there deceased ect.

In practice, a spiritual medium is expected to deliver accurate evidence of our survival. However, the question Crystal asked was, In theory' how can a medium prove they are real? 

Also, as a demonstration of mediumship is an experiment, no guarantee of communication can ever be given.

Basically, You have just stated that mediumship is an experiment....

To me it is not.

mac wrote:
The suggested disclaimers state that it is an experiment because communication can not be guaranteed.  And absolutely no medium ever could, can now, or will in future be able to, guarantee the outcome of their attempt to provide mediumship - and still we don't have a formalised version of what mediumship is in the first place anyway!!!


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Crystal wrote:

mac wrote:
The suggested disclaimers state that it is an experiment because communication can not be guaranteed.  And absolutely no medium ever could, can now, or will in future be able to, guarantee the outcome of their attempt to provide mediumship - and still we don't have a formalised version of what mediumship is in the first place anyway!!!


Last edited by mac on Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:33 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : punctuation)

Totally off topic... I just love the edit for punctuation, a lot of people could learn from that, and whilst I am mentioning this, whatever happened to spelling? How can an online reader every expect to get their word/reading/message across to the recipient accurately if they use the wrong words, incorrect spelling or punctuation all the time? The panda eats shoots and leaves....

Crystal wrote:

RavenMoon wrote:Surely a message passed on whether by a "psychic" or other personal method is looked on a gift and gladly received by the intended person.
Looking down on someone because they just psychic and not 100% medium  I find it slightly  rude - we are, on this site, people from all walks of life & ways. Our gifts are just that, which ever way we express them and pass information them on. 

light &  love 

You are missing the point that mac has already clearly explained.