UFO's:The Real Deal?

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Dear members of the Forum,

If you ask an average person if he believes in UFO's,he will usually only take his own experience(or his lack of experience!) as a criterium.
'UFO's do not exist,because I have never seen one!",he will declare.
But a few years ago Larry King hosted a show on CNN,which you can watch on Youtube,in which highly placed military officers and other people involved,made the astounding and mind-boggling statement,that UFO's had been spotted in the vicinity of nuclear missile bases in the United States.
Moreover,they had turned the missiles of,so they were put off line(!)

I dare everybody to watch this show,and then declare,that there's nothing to the phenomenon.
More and more pilots,police officers,military personell and even astronauts have witnessed them and have come to the opinion,that UFO's are real and that they must be considered to be of intelligent and alien origin.

If you find your life very boring,think about these facts from time to time.
That will give you a fresh look at reality!

gilly wrote:ouch! You sure know how to be hurtful!


Being the expert--you should know!

AND at no time have I been refering to my writing!

In fact I consider your bringing this into the argument as a 'personal' attack on myself. You are usually very careful to avoid putting yourself in such a position.

We should be discussing 'Scientific' research and methods of proving and disproving 'things'

Maybe you should do some research--ARTHUR C CLARKE, science fiction writer and COMMUNICATION SATELITES with particular reference to dates!!!

Peter

You know that neither of us has been making personal attacks.

You had obliquely criticised my own scientific approach (WE must all really start to apply 'scientific reasoning' (mac) more accurately!) and I simply referred in turn to yours being a science-fiction one.

I don't consider my role to be one of "....discussing 'Scientific' research and methods of proving and disproving 'things'" as I write as an observer, not as a participant.

gilly wrote:FOR mac

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I believe your remarks about my hobby are covered by this rule--an apology on here will suffice thank you!

Peter

I disagree.

mac wrote:

gilly wrote:FOR mac

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Respect & Civility: We ask that all members remain civil towards each other, and respect the fact that everyone has their own opinions, experiences and thoughts and have the right to express them as long as they are not abusive, illegal or personally insulting towards other members, whether anyone else believes in them or not.
Swearing, abuse, personal attacks, mocking and insulting posts will now be edited or deleted without notice in an attempt to keep the forum a pleasant place to be for all.
If you really cannot get along with someone then please ignore them.

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Last edited by Violet on Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:40 pm; edited 1 time in total

I believe your remarks about my hobby are covered by this rule--an apology on here will suffice thank you!

Peter

I disagree.

If I were to make remarks about your hobby--lazy a**--then it would be personal abuse.

My being a writer of SF and fantasy has no bearing on what I post on here--indeed if I did so it would be interpreted as advertising my writing!

ANY reference to my hobby of 'writing' in a derogatory way is therefor personal abuse!

HAVE THE GUTS MAN TO ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG FOR ONCE!!

Peter

This forum is one on a website which
also deals with matters spiritual. My own specialty, and the reason
I'm a member of Spiritual inspiration in the first place, is that of
our survival beyond death, communication between dimensions and all
else encompassed by those ideas. Those following this thread may
wish to consider the following points.




In the field of 'the spooks'
(those living in the etheric to avoid any charge of flippancy)
it's not uncommon to learn that certain individuals experience
situations not so dissimilar to those reported from the field of
extra-terrestrial aliens et al. For example they see faces and/or
figures which sometimes do not look totally 'real' or which may be
slightly (or greatly) different from the usual human form. Visions
are often, if not mostly, personal and it's rare for more than one
individual to be involved in such 'sightings'. These experiences
are, then, subjective.




Despite the present day proliferation
of sophisticated image recording equipment, few clear images are
available which can stand up to close scrutiny and/or charges of
having been manipulated. In short there aren't any truly convincing
photos of aliens or unidentified flying objects. That doesn't mean
they didn't appear, or that extraterrestrials don't exist, but might
suggest a situation similar to that described elsewhere and analogous
to that of the sightings of discarnates. Again in short, people
'see' the objects they claim but the objects are not of this
dimension. It's a common assertion that we're all psychic to some
degree and if that's true then it's surely to be expected that some
individuals will be able to discern ('see') discarnate entities
('spirits') but not realise that who they see are not of this
dimension. (In evidential mediumship individuals use their
attributes more fully for actual communication with
the discarnates.) One possible outcome of such situations is the
impression that aliens or UFOs are with us in our physical dimension.






As a closing remark, it's well known
that the Scole Experimental Group's activities were brought to a
premature halt some years back when mediumistic communication with long-term 'spirit-side' collaborators in the experiment was
wrecked. It was publicly reported that extraterrestrials were
telling the group that its activities were interfering with 'cosmic
time laws' and that the experiments were being closed down to prevent
problems with individuals communicating from the future.





I'll leave others to form their own
conclusions about this.

Dear Mac,

Let me set out by thanking you for your very serious and worthwhile contribution.
I too have read a book on the scole experiment and I know,that what you are sying about extraterrestrials ending the experiment is absolutely true.
It's a pitty,that these beings did not make more of an effort to explain more about themselves or their dimension or their scientific point of view.
I realise now,that we obviously have something in common.
I have always left open the possibility,that even if UFO's did exist and even if they were under intelligent control,the phenomenon would not necessarily be material.
One of my (maybe absurd and bizar)theories,is,that UFO's may be alien craft travelling,not through space and time as we know it,but through "the field of consciousness".
They could pop up in our material dimension for purposes of their own,but they would be mere visitors.
(If you woud come to the Netherlands to have a look at our country,you wouldn't be a Dutch person.You would be a visitor).
It may be,that the beings(if they existed)were human beings,hundreds of years in the future,who developed a science that was so far ahead of our own,that we simply wouldn't be able to grasp even the most easy principles of their theories.
They decided to travel through time and explore the world,the lives and the habits o9f their ancestors(That's us, folks!)
This could account for the fact,that they do not leave any significant evidence of their existence.
If they make fundamental changes in our world,then their world would be changed.

Well, I'll leave it at that.

Warm Greetings!
Spirir Guide.

I was a subscriber to the New Spiritual Science Foundation, the umbrella body of the Scole Group, from its inception and through to its ignominious ending. I eagerly followed events and also attended a public demonstration (once was sufficient for me) and was a convinced and eager supporter of all the aims of the Foundation. I was horrified that such an experienced, and seemingly knowledgeable, group of individuals should be taken in so comprehensively by mischief-making, low-level spirit entities. They were not extra-terrestrial and hence had nothing to offer - it was a hoax played on the group.

You say we obviously have something in common. I'm frequently dismayed that what I write, or what I ask of others, is taken as ignorance or perhaps skepticism. Although I frequently describe myself as a Modern Spiritualist I'm not only that. My interest in life in different dimensions (and communications generally) naturally carries over into other fields of possibility, that of extra-terrestrial life being just one. That UFOs may not be operating in our physical frequency bands seems so obvious to me I'm astonished it's not seen by others. Alien stories frequently resemble accounts about discarnate entities. (so-called spirits)

Your personal theory is hardly bizarre or absurd, especially compared
with the accounts I have heard here and elsewhere. I can't agree with
your analogy about my visiting The Netherlands, though, because I live
in the same dimension, operate at the same frequencies. I could shake
your hand, interact with you and communicate albeit somewhat less well
than you do in your impeccable English!

Extraterrestrials may visit but are likely to be unable to interact because of
'frequency differences' (this is not an ideal term I accept) between our dimension and theirs - exactly
analogous to 'spirit' visitors who can not interact (or do so
unpredictably and unreliably) with the frequencies of the physical
dimension in which we live.

I hope others will see that I am not
poo-pooing ideas about UFOs or extra-terrestrials at all but simply
asking that readers consider that there may be alternative explanations.

(apologies for the somewhat strange text formatting)

This is a revealing disclosure (by Paul Hellyer, Canadian former defence minister)
- 9 minutes long.

For those who want to fast-track it: At around 4 mins in, he talks about live ET currently living here, 2 of which are working with US government. At 7 mins in, he reveals the Cabal/shadow government (comprising of key US leading officials and others who are in much of the western world). They are non elected and not accountable. According to Rockefeller "the plan is well advanced!"   


http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/06/08/ufo-alien-disclosure-by-former-canadian-minister-of-defense/

NASA's Alien Anomalies caught on film....(10 mins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_Jcg1pc

As Mehrane Keshe said, there is no such thing as an unidentified flying object,
they are all identified.

Very interesting Amy.     I always take a great interest in anything like that.   Who knows exactly what is circling our planet earth.

Just how long has our planet been under the microscope from Aliens?

Quite a few years I would say.    In this modern day and age,more equipment is here on earth to observe exactly what is taking such an interest  in us.    Are they afraid we are getting too near the truth of what lies beyond our earth?

ameliorate wrote:

Detlef wrote:As Mehrane Keshe said, there is no such thing as an unidentified flying object,
they are all identified.

I'd be interested on your views on the above clip I posted, i.e.
NASA's Alien Anomalies.

There you can see how much traffic is out there.
Normally NASA photo shops and cleans everything before it goes to the public.
What has to be understood, there is a lot of "UFO" traffic out there that is of human origin. The Germans with the help of certain ET's started building space crafts. And since half of those scientists ended up in the US, the other half in Russia, one can safely assume, they kept on working on those program. The word is, there are still Nazi bases in Antarctica.
The Iranians might have a craft or two. What I am trying to say is, a lot of so called UFO sightings here on earth are simply man made crafts.
On the ET side, it is suggested, we the humans are in contact with at least 12 different races, which are on earth at present. Most of them are not very different then we are.
Of cause there are bases on the moon and on mars, with and without humans in them. I don't think this is much of a secret any longer.