To Actually Know what the After Life is like?

SpiritVoices wrote:We read,we dream,we imagine what is beyond this life.

Do we really know?   We imagine it is like in our dreams.
Are those dreams true?   Is it as perfect as we think it is.

We have to work like we do here on earth.   The perks are we have no physical body.   We can 'think' of a place we want to visit and bingo....there we are!

The colours of the after life are more brilliant than here.   The flowers are brighter.
So why do we dread physical death?   What makes us afraid?

Unknown territory?   Unknown facts about what we face when we reach 'heaven'?

Have we ever seen a picture of what the afterlife is like?    Has any artist ever painted an imagery of the afterlife?   Where is proof that it actually exists?

Detlef wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:We read,we dream,we imagine what is beyond this life.

Do we really know?   We imagine it is like in our dreams.
Are those dreams true?   Is it as perfect as we think it is.

We have to work like we do here on earth.   The perks are we have no physical body.   We can 'think' of a place we want to visit and bingo....there we are!

The colours of the after life are more brilliant than here.   The flowers are brighter.
So why do we dread physical death?   What makes us afraid?

Unknown territory?   Unknown facts about what we face when we reach 'heaven'?

Have we ever seen a picture of what the afterlife is like?    Has any artist ever painted an imagery of the afterlife?   Where is proof that it actually exists?

 
Dream are true if you belief metaphors are real. They are in fact a description we other wise can not understand and fathom.
As long we thing with this mind and relate everything to this reality we will not understand.
The simple fact that you call it the "afterlife" show it is impossible to grasp what existence will be like after this incarnation.
In fact, our existence outside this one has never stopped. And you are watching yourself having this life as we speak.
What no one seams to understand, if anyone has any visions or is shown other realms, it still has to be processed through this mind, and this mind will relate everything to this reality. It has no references to anything else. It understands only this reality.
The fear of death is build in into the psyche of this race, as much as the love of the mother for the child, the bonding of the child to the mother, the attraction of partners by different hormones. It's all for the continuation of this race and with it this game we are playing.
If everyone wanted to go, the game was over.

Auras wrote:It has brought to mind that when we sleep our consciousness travels into the spirit world. Wonder what it would be like if we could be aware of it?

SpiritVoices wrote:There is so much we don't know about the afterlife....until we arrive there.....that will be the final step...

Auras wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:There is so much we don't know about the afterlife....until we arrive there.....that will be the final step...

I am kinda puzzles.

There is an astral plane, There is a spirit plane, There are so many planes, So why do many spirit's live on sepreate planes? do we get to choose which one when we pass?

mac wrote:
It's been taught that our individual spiritual-progress determines the level or plane or existence which is right for us. 

On any particular level we will be with others whose own level of progression is similar to ours.  That's a significant difference from how things are here where folk at all levels of progression are mixed together.  You don't get to pick and choose which one but you find yourself at a level that's appropriate for you.

The levels are not step levels and you don't just jump from one to another.  As you evolve spiritually you'll automatically find yourself moving to the next progress level.  It's also taught that you can move 'down' levels to meet with someone at a 'lower' one (or for any other reason) but it's not possible to move into to a level of spiritual progression 'higher' than your own until you've progressed sufficiently.

These are fundamental issues and guidance has been offered by spiritually-evolved teachers and guides on such subjects.  That guidance can be found in available published compilations of their teachings.

Auras wrote:

mac wrote:
It's been taught that our individual spiritual-progress determines the level or plane or existence which is right for us. 

On any particular level we will be with others whose own level of progression is similar to ours.  That's a significant difference from how things are here where folk at all levels of progression are mixed together.  You don't get to pick and choose which one but you find yourself at a level that's appropriate for you.

The levels are not step levels and you don't just jump from one to another.  As you evolve spiritually you'll automatically find yourself moving to the next progress level.  It's also taught that you can move 'down' levels to meet with someone at a 'lower' one (or for any other reason) but it's not possible to move into to a level of spiritual progression 'higher' than your own until you've progressed sufficiently.

These are fundamental issues and guidance has been offered by spiritually-evolved teachers and guides on such subjects.  That guidance can be found in available published compilations of their teachings.

I am not agreeing with you, But, I really don't see it as levels. Who knows what will happen? Is there proof that we have certain levels we must achieve before entering a certain plane? I don't know. My belief on this discussion is that thy individual would need to experience it for them selves to be able to provide enough proof into the matter. What your saying to me is a load of crap, Simply because you are not providing any behind it. Leading your information back to teachers and guides, It does not convince me there is a level. I do agree, We are progressing in spirit, But why on earth would it be levels? We are not a game? We was not born to skip from level to level.

mac wrote:

Auras wrote:

mac wrote:
It's been taught that our individual spiritual-progress determines the level or plane or existence which is right for us. 

On any particular level we will be with others whose own level of progression is similar to ours.  That's a significant difference from how things are here where folk at all levels of progression are mixed together.  You don't get to pick and choose which one but you find yourself at a level that's appropriate for you.

The levels are not step levels and you don't just jump from one to another.  As you evolve spiritually you'll automatically find yourself moving to the next progress level.  It's also taught that you can move 'down' levels to meet with someone at a 'lower' one (or for any other reason) but it's not possible to move into to a level of spiritual progression 'higher' than your own until you've progressed sufficiently.

These are fundamental issues and guidance has been offered by spiritually-evolved teachers and guides on such subjects.  That guidance can be found in available published compilations of their teachings.

I am not agreeing with you, But, I really don't see it as levels. Who knows what will happen? Is there proof that we have certain levels we must achieve before entering a certain plane? I don't know. My belief on this discussion is that thy individual would need to experience it for them selves to be able to provide enough proof into the matter. What your saying to me is a load of crap, Simply because you are not providing any behind it. Leading your information back to teachers and guides, It does not convince me there is a level. I do agree, We are progressing in spirit, But why on earth would it be levels? We are not a game? We was not born to skip from level to level.

What I wrote were not my ideas. 

I presented, as well as I was able, the ideas and words of teachers and guides who many see as authoritative.  It's those individuals with whom you don't agree and whose teachings are therefore crap in your eyes. 

 You ask if there's proof about certain issues.  If you studied for yourself what has been taught about such fundamental issues you could judge for yourself.  If what they've said doesn't appeal to your reason so be it.

I had to work hard to get my head around things and if you want to understand you'll probably have to do that yourself.  Unless you're exceedingly lucky in life, knowledge and understanding ain't gonna be offered on a plate to you.

 I'm not interested if you're not interested but as I've offered before, I'll help you if you are.

Auras wrote:

mac wrote:

Auras wrote:

mac wrote:
It's been taught that our individual spiritual-progress determines the level or plane or existence which is right for us. 

On any particular level we will be with others whose own level of progression is similar to ours.  That's a significant difference from how things are here where folk at all levels of progression are mixed together.  You don't get to pick and choose which one but you find yourself at a level that's appropriate for you.

The levels are not step levels and you don't just jump from one to another.  As you evolve spiritually you'll automatically find yourself moving to the next progress level.  It's also taught that you can move 'down' levels to meet with someone at a 'lower' one (or for any other reason) but it's not possible to move into to a level of spiritual progression 'higher' than your own until you've progressed sufficiently.

These are fundamental issues and guidance has been offered by spiritually-evolved teachers and guides on such subjects.  That guidance can be found in available published compilations of their teachings.

I am not agreeing with you, But, I really don't see it as levels. Who knows what will happen? Is there proof that we have certain levels we must achieve before entering a certain plane? I don't know. My belief on this discussion is that thy individual would need to experience it for them selves to be able to provide enough proof into the matter. What your saying to me is a load of crap, Simply because you are not providing any behind it. Leading your information back to teachers and guides, It does not convince me there is a level. I do agree, We are progressing in spirit, But why on earth would it be levels? We are not a game? We was not born to skip from level to level.

What I wrote were not my ideas. 

I presented, as well as I was able, the ideas and words of teachers and guides who many see as authoritative.  It's those individuals with whom you don't agree and whose teachings are therefore crap in your eyes. 

 You ask if there's proof about certain issues.  If you studied for yourself what has been taught about such fundamental issues you could judge for yourself.  If what they've said doesn't appeal to your reason so be it.

I had to work hard to get my head around things and if you want to understand you'll probably have to do that yourself.  Unless you're exceedingly lucky in life, knowledge and understanding ain't gonna be offered on a plate to you.

 I'm not interested if you're not interested but as I've offered before, I'll help you if you are.

I would love the help.

SpiritVoices wrote:What about the lower levels?   There are those who only reach  those levels as far as they have progressed on the physical world.

Auras wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:What about the lower levels?   There are those who only reach  those levels as far as they have progressed on the physical world.

Now learning a lot from people over the couple of weeks, I learned there there is no higher or lower levels, You call them that because it's a subjective matter. Afterall we are just consciousness.

Auras wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:There is so much we don't know about the afterlife....until we arrive there.....that will be the final step...

I am kinda puzzles.

There is an astral plane, There is a spirit plane, There are so many planes, So why do many spirit's live on sepreate planes? do we get to choose which one when we pass?

skye wrote:

Auras wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:There is so much we don't know about the afterlife....until we arrive there.....that will be the final step...

I am kinda puzzles.

There is an astral plane, There is a spirit plane, There are so many planes, So why do many spirit's live on sepreate planes? do we get to choose which one when we pass?

The world of spirit obviously has a variety of different people living there. These people, are very much like us humans, in that they all differ in a number of ways. This may be through a difference in religion, culture or ones spirituality, to name but a few. 

When our spirit eventually discards the human body, it is said we all begin on the astral plane - a part of the spirit world. This is said to be the first plane, that resembles the earth plane and where all spirits start their experience as a spirit being. We are met by loved ones on the astral plane and we go through a life review, where we alone decide, not judge, how our actions and words affected others. Again, it is said from the astral plane a progression to the spirit world to a plane, level, call it what you will, which is befitting to ones spiritual development occurs. So, although we do choose, it's not like choosing say for instance, 'What bus do I travel on to reach a destination?' rather it's our actions and deeds (spirituality) that choose our place in the spirit world. If this was not the case people would find themselves on a level which will be uncomfortable for them and disharmony would reign as it does in our physical world.

Incidentally, when a person astral travels they can meet human beings, as well as spirit beings on the astral plane, but may not necessarily be aware of which is which.

If you are still puzzled Auras, I suppose you could also consider what Jesus said when he stated "In my father's house there are many mansions".

Auras wrote:

skye wrote:

Auras wrote:

SpiritVoices wrote:There is so much we don't know about the afterlife....until we arrive there.....that will be the final step...

I am kinda puzzles.

There is an astral plane, There is a spirit plane, There are so many planes, So why do many spirit's live on sepreate planes? do we get to choose which one when we pass?

The world of spirit obviously has a variety of different people living there. These people, are very much like us humans, in that they all differ in a number of ways. This may be through a difference in religion, culture or ones spirituality, to name but a few. 

When our spirit eventually discards the human body, it is said we all begin on the astral plane - a part of the spirit world. This is said to be the first plane, that resembles the earth plane and where all spirits start their experience as a spirit being. We are met by loved ones on the astral plane and we go through a life review, where we alone decide, not judge, how our actions and words affected others. Again, it is said from the astral plane a progression to the spirit world to a plane, level, call it what you will, which is befitting to ones spiritual development occurs. So, although we do choose, it's not like choosing say for instance, 'What bus do I travel on to reach a destination?' rather it's our actions and deeds (spirituality) that choose our place in the spirit world. If this was not the case people would find themselves on a level which will be uncomfortable for them and disharmony would reign as it does in our physical world.

Incidentally, when a person astral travels they can meet human beings, as well as spirit beings on the astral plane, but may not necessarily be aware of which is which.

If you are still puzzled Auras, I suppose you could also consider what Jesus said when he stated "In my father's house there are many mansions".

Now, To me that is your own interpretation of it, In-fact, I was reading a book about a man who has a NDE, He got to create whatever he wanted, Like it was his own world. But, of course, It's a highly subjective matter.