What does Spiritualism know about Christmas, eh?

CW wrote:"Why lie when the truth will do?" "Why lie when you'll need a clean up crew later on down the road to repair the damages the lie has made?"

WHY THE LIE? I believe in Jesus Christ, weather born December 25th or not it doesn't matter to me, nor did I teach it to matter to my children. I did not tell them the Santa lie, the born in December lie, the buying gifts at Christmas lie and so on..... They seem to be much happier people as a result of the truth of knowing that we do have physic ability, there are non-physical energy forces around us and that if they ever encounter it as I have it is okay to talk about it with me. By the way; both my children have experienced and are enlightened to spiritual existence.

I must be honest with you mac "truth is still being revealed to me therefore I can not give what I don't have." I also teach them that some truths are basic and some are formed as we grow throughout life. Since a small child I was denied answers, acknowledgment, and was even forbidden to speak of spirits. Even though I could see, hear, smell and sometimes even touch them and they could touch me. Today I'm some what better with my fear of being alone especially in the dark. It was not until I was in my forties that I encountered kindreds such as Violet. afterwards, I found relief, understanding, enlightenment and even growth. I believe all is spiritual, be it your birthday, Jesus birthday, ground hog day, St. Patrick's day, or my personal favorite "EVERYDAY!"

The lie stops with me!



Love to all...

I believe all is spiritual, be it your birthday, Jesus birthday, ground
hog day, St. Patrick's day, or my personal favorite "EVERYDAY!"

CW wrote:Sorry I lost you mac, this post was truly written for my own edification, a reflection of how much I've grown. As a child I was taught to accept Christianity and deny Spiritualism. Today I am a better person now that I'm no longer denying Spiritualism which is apart of who I' AM.

Regarding your question; What does Spiritualism have to do with Christmas? my answer is

I believe all is spiritual, be it your birthday, Jesus birthday, ground
hog day, St. Patrick's day, or my personal favorite "EVERYDAY!"

Therefore the practice of Spiritualism is constant for me, it happens with or without my acknowledgment. I don't know if you understand this or not but this has been my life experience. For this reason I have taught and raised my children the in the way of Spiritualism. They both seem to be happier and more in tuned with themselves.

Love to all.

CW wrote:Thank you gilly, I agree with you the true spirit of Christmas should be demonstrated in our everyday walk of life and not just once a year as designed for big business.

Love to all.

or as siad in posting #22: "....surely a good way to celebrate it is to give with abundance. Why
not give with abundance at all times and we'd celebrate the words of
teacher/healer Jesus and spread the message of Spiritualism continually -
not just transiently on an arbitrary date....?"

mac wrote:

CW wrote:Thank you gilly, I agree with you the true spirit of Christmas should be demonstrated in our everyday walk of life and not just once a year as designed for big business.

Love to all.

or as said in posting #22: "....surely a good way to celebrate it is to give with abundance. Why
not give with abundance at all times and we'd celebrate the words of
teacher/healer Jesus and spread the message of Spiritualism continually -
not just transiently on an arbitrary date....?"

gilly wrote:

mac wrote:

CW wrote:Thank you gilly, I agree with you the true spirit of Christmas should be demonstrated in our everyday walk of life and not just once a year as designed for big business.

Love to all.

or as said in posting #22: "....surely a good way to celebrate it is to give with abundance. Why
not give with abundance at all times and we'd celebrate the words of
teacher/healer Jesus and spread the message of Spiritualism continually -
not just transiently on an arbitrary date....?"

Hi mac

I am so so confused--this post places 'us' as 'one'!! Yet you so often come over as the 'opposition'!!

This goes beyond 'semantics'!!

I will think on it--???

PPLLnL

Peter

mac wrote:

gilly wrote:

mac wrote:

CW wrote:Thank you gilly, I agree with you the true spirit of Christmas should be demonstrated in our everyday walk of life and not just once a year as designed for big business.

Love to all.

or as said in posting #22: "....surely a good way to celebrate it is to give with abundance. Why
not give with abundance at all times and we'd celebrate the words of
teacher/healer Jesus and spread the message of Spiritualism continually -
not just transiently on an arbitrary date....?"

Hi mac

I am so so confused--this post places 'us' as 'one'!! Yet you so often come over as the 'opposition'!!

This goes beyond 'semantics'!!

I will think on it--???

PPLLnL

Peter

the "opposition", Peter?

The opposition to what....????

SHIDAD

mac wrote:


Shaking Head In Dismay And Disbelief - SHIDAD! It relates to what I find myself figuratively doing at what's sometimes/often said in discussion threads....

mac wrote:and furthermore, quote:


"And yet so often I get the feeling, when you respond, that...You are the teacher marking the correctness of the work of a class of school children....."

really? Compare the piece below with my matter-of-factual responses to other contributors' ideas - it's what I was told recently in another thread - quote:

Sorry 'mac'

you need to tune in!

Life here on the earth plane as human beings is what we are!! We are part physical and part spiritual!

The 'afterlife' is no vague term--it is where we go when our human physical life has ended!

Life
is our human physical term in the 3 dimensional earth plane! The
afterlife is where we go after that 3 dimensional earth plane
finishes--I believe it is 'HOME'! but will not argue with those that do
not accept this.

You must first accept the physical and spiritual parts of us humans before you can even begin to understand!

Sorry to be so blunt--BUT IT IS SO!! (my formatting for emphasis)

Now tell me who's behaving like a teacher.

gilly wrote:

mac wrote:and furthermore, quote:


"And yet so often I get the feeling, when you respond, that...You are the teacher marking the correctness of the work of a class of school children....."

really? Compare the piece below with my matter-of-factual responses to other contributors' ideas - it's what I was told recently in another thread - quote:

Sorry 'mac'

you need to tune in!

Life here on the earth plane as human beings is what we are!! We are part physical and part spiritual!

The 'afterlife' is no vague term--it is where we go when our human physical life has ended!

Life
is our human physical term in the 3 dimensional earth plane! The
afterlife is where we go after that 3 dimensional earth plane
finishes--I believe it is 'HOME'! but will not argue with those that do
not accept this.

You must first accept the physical and spiritual parts of us humans before you can even begin to understand!

Sorry to be so blunt--BUT IT IS SO!! (my formatting for emphasis)

Now tell me who's behaving like a teacher.

OH DEAR sorry mac

But I AM A TEACHER and have been for over 40 years!!!

I am who I am! AND I will keep expressing my opinion even if I muddle up occasionally who said what.

PPLLnL

Peter

mac wrote:Christmas is coming and with it comes all the gooey, sentimental tripe, synthetic love, gaudy imported decorations, retail madness and absurd over-idulgence that our western society demands to 'celebrate' Christmas.

Throw into this mix a fantasy story about someone born two millennia ago. Teach children the nonsense that Jesus came to save the world and was the 'Son of God'. Boost the collective mania by singing carols with a theme which is totally opposite to that of Spiritualism's simple message.

It's hard, of course, not to travel that same road we've been walking since the time we were tiny, a road we were conditioned to walk by parents, grandparents, schooling and the dictates of society.

Oh it doesn't matter, it's just a bit of fun for the kids, it doesn't do 'em any harm to believe in Santa - it's Christmas! You've all heard this stuff - you might even say the same yourself. And it is right that believing in Santa is a bit of fun for small kids. Left at that its fine. Trouble is all the Christmassy stuff gets mixed and muddled in a child's mind and years later those kids have become adults who are then totally muddled about Jesus and God and Christmas and Easter and....well you get my point.

Spiritualism? Oh yes. That's what I was getting to. Spiritualism? Isn't that all about getting message at the spooks church?

Does Spiritualism really have anything to say about Jesus and about Christmas?

Karin wrote:I was over three decades a "Christian" and still annoys me, what the Christian church made of Jesus and Christmas.

Jesus was very spiritual, he was enlightened. And I like to celebrate his birthday the Christian Church illogically has set on 25.12.. (Do anyone here know why it's the 25.12.? Whenever I ask Christians they don't know it. I also have to investigate...)

I'm not ready to believe in ALL teachings of the Christian Church. This man was/is so wonderful that it is not necessary to ascribe to him more miracles than necessary or to conceal things which have awarded him TOO.


Incidentally I celebrate Christmas for years on my way in silence and in peace. Without the tremendous hype that fabricated the public.



Hi Karin

The early church struggled against the Druid and Pagan religeons in most of northern Europe. These religions celebrated the mid-winter solstice on December 21 in a big way. It is suspected that December 25 was -as it turned out- a very successful attempt at hi-jacking this very important Pagan festival.

The real problem as I see it is the second hi-jacking by the capitalist system--just listen to the news at this time -what is the main concern about Christmas??? How much are we spending? Is it more or less than last year?

PPLLnL

peter




Karin

The real problem as I see it is the second hi-jacking by the capitalist
system--just listen to the news at this time -what is the main concern
about Christmas??? How much are we spending? Is it more or less than last year?