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    Post  AmarenLux Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:02 pm

    Hey 

    It is truely amazing how much we are capable of feeling n expressing all at once, n then to fully understand n feel it all too, n how all the emotions interrelate n interact, influence one another n our thoughts n judgements n of course how our spirit ties into all this as well :) Just amazing :)
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    Post  ameliorate Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:10 pm

    I see our spirit as our true essence and separate from our ego, which is where our thoughts and feelings spring from.
    This is more easily seen/experienced through such practises as meditation.
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    Post  AmarenLux Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:12 pm

    The spirit can express emotions as well :)
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    Post  ameliorate Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:09 pm

    AmarenLux wrote:The spirit can express emotions as well :)
    It can?  Well... I have experienced serenity/bliss/awe at my most spiritual times but would see that more as a state of consciousness.
    Thereagain, to be focused on love I regard as being very spiritual so I see what you say.

    Maybe then it's our more lower energies, springing from certain thoughts and emotions that emanate from our ego.
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    Post  AmarenLux Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:04 am

    Yes some are ego like n out of fear others are expressed from the heart n come from the spirit :)
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    Post  Crystal Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:28 am

    AmarenLux wrote:Yes some are ego like n out of fear others are expressed from the heart n come from the spirit :)


    To me that is our soul not spirit. Ego is the spirit of a person, or part of it, the soul is the deeper power.
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    Post  AmarenLux Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:47 am

    I consider the soul n spirit to be the same thing the ego is the mind.
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    Post  Crystal Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:04 pm

    So what is the mind then? Interesting that you think that the soul and spirit are the same, do you mean the words are interchangeable or that there is only one essence?
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    Post  ameliorate Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:47 pm

    Crystal wrote:So what is the mind then? Interesting that you think that the soul and spirit are the same, do you mean the words are interchangeable or that there is only one essence?
    Terminology can be so confusing.  I have read (from a variety of sources) that the soul and the spirit are one and the same, i.e.
    that they refer to the same thing.
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    Post  mac Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:58 pm

    ameliorate wrote:
    Crystal wrote:So what is the mind then? Interesting that you think that the soul and spirit are the same, do you mean the words are interchangeable or that there is only one essence?
    Terminology can be so confusing.  I have read (from a variety of sources) that the soul and the spirit are one and the same, i.e.
    that they refer to the same thing.
    Whether they are different perhaps relates to overall context, what one person means by it compared with what another does?  Similarly 'medium and 'psychic' or 'spiritualism' and 'Spirituallism'.  


    The older I get the more I'm aware of just how tricky effective communication can be, even when both speak a language that's nominally the same!  Here in the USA I'm constantly aware that my English-English may not be understood as I intend by American-English speakers - and vice versa!!
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    Post  Crystal Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:09 pm

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    ameliorate wrote:
    Crystal wrote:So what is the mind then? Interesting that you think that the soul and spirit are the same, do you mean the words are interchangeable or that there is only one essence?
    Terminology can be so confusing.  I have read (from a variety of sources) that the soul and the spirit are one and the same, i.e.
    that they refer to the same thing.
    Whether they are different perhaps relates to overall context, what one person means by it compared with what another does?  Similarly 'medium and 'psychic' or 'spiritualism' and 'Spirituallism'.  


    The older I get the more I'm aware of just how tricky effective communication can be, even when both speak a language that's nominally the same!  Here in the USA I'm constantly aware that my English-English may not be understood as I intend by American-English speakers - and vice versa!!

    pants and purse lol

    I have read that they are different lol. But then I have also written that they are different and explained why.

    One of the reasons that some versions of spiritualism believe that spirit and soul are separate is so that re-incarnation can occur at the original person's spirit can still be contacted..
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    Post  mac Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:13 pm

    Crystal wrote:
    mac wrote:
    ameliorate wrote:
    Crystal wrote:So what is the mind then? Interesting that you think that the soul and spirit are the same, do you mean the words are interchangeable or that there is only one essence?
    Terminology can be so confusing.  I have read (from a variety of sources) that the soul and the spirit are one and the same, i.e.
    that they refer to the same thing.
    Whether they are different perhaps relates to overall context, what one person means by it compared with what another does?  Similarly 'medium and 'psychic' or 'spiritualism' and 'Spirituallism'.  


    The older I get the more I'm aware of just how tricky effective communication can be, even when both speak a language that's nominally the same!  Here in the USA I'm constantly aware that my English-English may not be understood as I intend by American-English speakers - and vice versa!!

    pants and purse lol

    I have read that they are different lol. But then I have also written that they are different and explained why.

    One of the reasons that some versions of spiritualism believe that spirit and soul are separate is so that re-incarnation can occur at the original person's spirit can still be contacted..
    pants instead of trousers (which are seen as underpants by some)  purse instead of handbag. hood instead of car bonnet, fenders instead of bumpers...  and on and on it goes but they're the easy ones!   What about 'charlie horse' for a cramp?   And 'lucking out' when you're luck's in or have been lucky?  Oh what fun we have!  :happy: 


    As for your second paragraph, I don't know what even a single version of 'spiritualism' is but I do know that 'Spiritualism' (philosophy) isn't big on reincarnation, preferring mostly to try to help the bereaved understand that their loved ones are alive, well and and caring about them.
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    Post  Blueanchor Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:17 pm

    I see soul as the interconnectedness of all energy. By spirit, I mean the energy that we personally create through living. By ego, I mean how we see ourselves or believe our personality to be (I am a nice person, I am a spiritual person etc).

    Lol, it's a wonder any of us can ever understand each other :happy:
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    Post  ameliorate Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:41 pm

    Blueanchor wrote:I see soul as the interconnectedness of all energy. By spirit, I mean the energy that we personally create through living. By ego, I mean how we see ourselves or believe our personality to be (I am a nice person, I am a spiritual person etc).

    Lol, it's a wonder any of us can ever understand each other :happy:
    Thanks for clarifying what these terms mean to you.  I do not doubt that you are a nice person and spiritual too!  Also wise Emotions  Color
     
    Yes it is a wonder sometimes but we are dealing with the intangible although dictionary definitions offer some help/guidelines,
    e.g. that is where spirit and soul can be seen to be defined as one and the same thing.

    If we are making our own definitions, then this needs to be clarified/explained as and when we do so else it gets highly confusing.
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    Post  Crystal Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:51 am

    ameliorate wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:I see soul as the interconnectedness of all energy. By spirit, I mean the energy that we personally create through living. By ego, I mean how we see ourselves or believe our personality to be (I am a nice person, I am a spiritual person etc).

    Lol, it's a wonder any of us can ever understand each other :happy:
    Thanks for clarifying what these terms mean to you.  I do not doubt that you are a nice person and spiritual too!  Also wise Emotions  Color
     
    Yes it is a wonder sometimes but we are dealing with the intangible although dictionary definitions offer some help/guidelines,
    e.g. that is where spirit and soul can be seen to be defined as one and the same thing.

    If we are making our own definitions, then this needs to be clarified/explained as and when we do so else it gets highly confusing.


    Amy that sounds condescending "making our own definitions"? Isn't that what belief and experiences teach us? Just because a website, book or person says one thing is the truth doesn't mean we should all just accept it if we have proof of otherwise?
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    Post  ameliorate Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:02 pm

    Crystal wrote:
    ameliorate wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:I see soul as the interconnectedness of all energy. By spirit, I mean the energy that we personally create through living. By ego, I mean how we see ourselves or believe our personality to be (I am a nice person, I am a spiritual person etc).

    Lol, it's a wonder any of us can ever understand each other :happy:
    Thanks for clarifying what these terms mean to you.  I do not doubt that you are a nice person and spiritual too!  Also wise Emotions  Color
     
    Yes it is a wonder sometimes but we are dealing with the intangible although dictionary definitions offer some help/guidelines,
    e.g. that is where spirit and soul can be seen to be defined as one and the same thing.

    If we are making our own definitions, then this needs to be clarified/explained as and when we do so else it gets highly confusing.


    Amy that sounds condescending "making our own definitions"? Isn't that what belief and experiences teach us? Just because a website, book or person says one thing is the truth doesn't mean we should all just accept it if we have proof of otherwise?
    Beliefs are mostly shared by other people, i.e. not of our own making/definition.  Of course there can be personal add-ons to a specific belief which, if that is the case, need explanation if clarity and understanding is wanted.

    Like I have said, I have heard that the soul and spirit are one of the same from MANY different sources, i.e. very, very far from being a single incident.
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    Post  Auras Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:19 pm

    AmarenLux wrote:I consider the soul n spirit to be the same thing the ego is the mind.
    I totally agree with you!

    If our ego was apart of our spirit we wouldn't be who we are today, we would look beyond the 5 senses and our limitations on this plane but because it's apart of our mind it effects us which creates mental blocks from what is really possible.
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    Post  Crystal Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:11 pm

    ameliorate wrote:
    Crystal wrote:
    ameliorate wrote:
    Blueanchor wrote:I see soul as the interconnectedness of all energy. By spirit, I mean the energy that we personally create through living. By ego, I mean how we see ourselves or believe our personality to be (I am a nice person, I am a spiritual person etc).

    Lol, it's a wonder any of us can ever understand each other :happy:
    Thanks for clarifying what these terms mean to you.  I do not doubt that you are a nice person and spiritual too!  Also wise Emotions  Color
     
    Yes it is a wonder sometimes but we are dealing with the intangible although dictionary definitions offer some help/guidelines,
    e.g. that is where spirit and soul can be seen to be defined as one and the same thing.

    If we are making our own definitions, then this needs to be clarified/explained as and when we do so else it gets highly confusing.


    Amy that sounds condescending "making our own definitions"? Isn't that what belief and experiences teach us? Just because a website, book or person says one thing is the truth doesn't mean we should all just accept it if we have proof of otherwise?
    Beliefs are mostly shared by other people, i.e. not of our own making/definition.  Of course there can be personal add-ons to a specific belief which, if that is the case, need explanation if clarity and understanding is wanted.

    Like I have said, I have heard that the soul and spirit are one of the same from MANY different sources, i.e. very, very far from being a single incident.
    Yep but someone had to be the first. And who knows from tiny acorns great oaks grow, and from one pos a whole new eye-opening belief system may be created.

    I have seen enough proof from my own experiences to see the spirit and soul as two, the spirit is this 'me' the soul is many 'me's' - each a new spirit. And the two can become disconnected by choice or by accident.

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