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How well do you understand...
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How well do you understand...
First topic message reminder :
yourself?
yourself?
Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.
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Re: How well do you understand...
Don't stop,CW.....wise advice there......CW wrote:Being Human as it relate to myself is:
- Knowing that right and wrong is based on my own personal perspective
- Life is comprised of mistakes that's why there is an eraser on a pencil.
- The only one I can change in life is me, I must accept you for who you are.
- Stuff happen every day that is totally out of my control.
- If I try to control the uncontrollable I will feel helpless.
- Knowing that wisdom comes from knowledge, experience and accepting things as they are....
- Being human is so wonderful, because I can touch and feel, I am a physical spirit in body.
- Being human means I can be physical, spiritual and emotional at the same time, AWESOME!!!!
I can go on and on but I'll stop with that.
Love to all.....
CW
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This is an unsatisfactory explanation. If it was an error, it would have shown up whilst you were typing, i.e. that you were typing directly into my post. You could have corrected it. So your explanation doesn't ring true. Crossing the line means posting your words into my post. If it was an error, the least you could do would be to apologise.mac wrote:Before becoming any more feather-spittingly indignant over my supposed treatment of your posting may I explain?ameliorate wrote:No...not until you tell me why you doctored a post of mine here, i.e. typed your own words into my post! I regard that as unacceptable. How dare you!!!mac wrote:Time to let things drop now, I suggest....ameliorate wrote:
If you are right, then it is a shame that you have disabled your PM facility since, I am sure you would rather certain issues be kept out of the public domain?
I am referring to my post quoted here
"Mac...it's a shame you have dis......THEN YOU CUT TO YOUR OWN WORDS! What gives you the right to do that??
It should read "Mac...it's a shame you have disabled your PM facility again."
So, what's the matter here? Can't face the truth of what you do???
Can we not trust you to stay within the boundaries of your own posts now?
This is crossing the line and disrespectful. Would you tolerate if it was done to your posts?
When using the 'Quote' button so much historical material gets included that the most recent can be almost lost at the bottom of an increasingly long new posting - just see as an example posting #43 where skye had thought I'd been responding to her. I had in fact been replying to other postings, from another member, in which the she'd also replied and hence her posting was also shown! To clarify the situation I went back and gave the actual post numbers for reference.
So....all I did was to highlight and delete a giant block of text and posting number references to avoid a repeat of this situation. All your original material is still visible in the thread where you first posted it - as you know I couldn't 'doctor' (as you put it) your posting any more than anyone else can doctor another member's posting and neither would I want to. Will you please explain how any of this was (quote) "....crossing the line and disrespectful"
Perhaps in future I should do what many members do and that's to make a non-conextual posting leaving the reader to fathom out to whom the response has been made?
There is no need to talk of non-contextual posting instead. I feel you are being dishonest and ridiculous now.
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SpiritVoices- Member
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Re: How well do you understand...
Mayflo,why does it not show on your profile whether you are male or female?
No little 'colour' below the photo?
It helps when answering your posts! How to answer a certain post sometimes.
No little 'colour' below the photo?
It helps when answering your posts! How to answer a certain post sometimes.
mac- Member
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We can try to keep points and personality as separate issues, even if ultimately the connection remains. If we don't try we'll likely not succeed.ameliorate wrote:Theoretically but I don't see the divisions as black and white....more grey. Can a post really be separated frommac wrote:Getting heated should be less a problem if disagreement isn't allowed to become a personality issue. We can all take responsibility for avoiding that, wouldn't you agree? Then we can disagree with one-another without resorting to name-calling.ameliorate wrote:Yes honest debate is valuable and can be progressive and beneficial. I guess the trick is to avoid
it becoming heated and a tit for tat ego battle.....not always easy to avoid.
the person who posted it? Since posts directly reflect that person's mindset and beliefs...I would say not.
It's a demand I make of myself on discussion forums and on the whole I think I achieve it much of the time. Others may disagree about that and, of course, they're perfectly entitled to.
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Perhaps you should also look where you are typing too, i.e. to ensure that you are not typing directly into someone's posts - when quoting their post! If you did type in their post, it would be immediately apparent so your explanation (in your post above #75) does not ring true, consolidated by you not apologising for this "supposed" error.mac wrote:We can try to keep points and personality as separate issues, even if ultimately the connection remains. If we don't try we'll likely not succeed.ameliorate wrote:Theoretically but I don't see the divisions as black and white....more grey. Can a post really be separated frommac wrote:Getting heated should be less a problem if disagreement isn't allowed to become a personality issue. We can all take responsibility for avoiding that, wouldn't you agree? Then we can disagree with one-another without resorting to name-calling.ameliorate wrote:Yes honest debate is valuable and can be progressive and beneficial. I guess the trick is to avoid
it becoming heated and a tit for tat ego battle.....not always easy to avoid.
the person who posted it? Since posts directly reflect that person's mindset and beliefs...I would say not.
It's a demand I make of myself on discussion forums and on the whole I think I achieve it much of the time. Others may disagree about that and, of course, they're perfectly entitled to.
This is a classic example where a post and the personality cannot be so clearly divided.
mac- Member
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If you find my explanation unsatisfactory then that's all there is to it - it's unsatisfactory. But I have no other. I tried to honestly address the issues you raised to the best of my obviously limited ability.ameliorate wrote:This is an unsatisfactory explanation. If it was an error, it would have shown up whilst you were typing, i.e. that you were typing directly into my post. You could have corrected it. So your explanation doesn't ring true. Crossing the line means posting your words into my post. If it was an error, the least you could do would be to apologise.mac wrote:Before becoming any more feather-spittingly indignant over my supposed treatment of your posting may I explain?ameliorate wrote:No...not until you tell me why you doctored a post of mine here, i.e. typed your own words into my post! I regard that as unacceptable. How dare you!!!mac wrote:Time to let things drop now, I suggest....ameliorate wrote:
If you are right, then it is a shame that you have disabled your PM facility since, I am sure you would rather certain issues be kept out of the public domain?
I am referring to my post quoted here
"Mac...it's a shame you have dis......THEN YOU CUT TO YOUR OWN WORDS! What gives you the right to do that??
It should read "Mac...it's a shame you have disabled your PM facility again."
So, what's the matter here? Can't face the truth of what you do???
Can we not trust you to stay within the boundaries of your own posts now?
This is crossing the line and disrespectful. Would you tolerate if it was done to your posts?
When using the 'Quote' button so much historical material gets included that the most recent can be almost lost at the bottom of an increasingly long new posting - just see as an example posting #43 where skye had thought I'd been responding to her. I had in fact been replying to other postings, from another member, in which the she'd also replied and hence her posting was also shown! To clarify the situation I went back and gave the actual post numbers for reference.
So....all I did was to highlight and delete a giant block of text and posting number references to avoid a repeat of this situation. All your original material is still visible in the thread where you first posted it - as you know I couldn't 'doctor' (as you put it) your posting any more than anyone else can doctor another member's posting and neither would I want to. Will you please explain how any of this was (quote) "....crossing the line and disrespectful"
Perhaps in future I should do what many members do and that's to make a non-conextual posting leaving the reader to fathom out to whom the response has been made?
There is no need to talk of non-contextual posting instead. I feel you are being dishonest and ridiculous now.
If you still reject what I've said I apologise I couldn't do any better.
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You win, I give in. You've completely got the better of me. I'm totally baffled.ameliorate wrote:Perhaps you should also look where you are typing too, i.e. to ensure that you are not typing directly into someone's posts - when quoting their post! If you did type in their post, it would be immediately apparent so your explanation (in your post above #75) does not ring true, consolidated by you not apologising for this "supposed" error.mac wrote:We can try to keep points and personality as separate issues, even if ultimately the connection remains. If we don't try we'll likely not succeed.ameliorate wrote:Theoretically but I don't see the divisions as black and white....more grey. Can a post really be separated frommac wrote:Getting heated should be less a problem if disagreement isn't allowed to become a personality issue. We can all take responsibility for avoiding that, wouldn't you agree? Then we can disagree with one-another without resorting to name-calling.ameliorate wrote:Yes honest debate is valuable and can be progressive and beneficial. I guess the trick is to avoid
it becoming heated and a tit for tat ego battle.....not always easy to avoid.
the person who posted it? Since posts directly reflect that person's mindset and beliefs...I would say not.
It's a demand I make of myself on discussion forums and on the whole I think I achieve it much of the time. Others may disagree about that and, of course, they're perfectly entitled to.
This is a classic example where a post and the personality cannot be so clearly divided.
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Mac - I too am baffled why the "error" was not immediately apparent to you, i.e. if you quoted my
post (in purple letters) and your words appeared in the same box (in black box), how this could
be overlooked at all? Can you explain that?
post (in purple letters) and your words appeared in the same box (in black box), how this could
be overlooked at all? Can you explain that?
mac- Member
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I give in - you win. Whatever you say - I can't explain anything about anything...ameliorate wrote:Mac - I too am baffled why the "error" was not immediately apparent to you, i.e. if you quoted my
post (in purple letters) and your words appeared in the same box (in black box), how this could
be overlooked at all? Can you explain that?
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It seems simple to me since you can see what appears on your screen before submitting. Sorry butmac wrote:I give in - you win. Whatever you say - I can't explain anything about anything...ameliorate wrote:Mac - I too am baffled why the "error" was not immediately apparent to you, i.e. if you quoted my
post (in purple letters) and your words appeared in the same box (in black box), how this could
be overlooked at all? Can you explain that?
your inadequate, evasive replies here mac smack of dishonesty and that is regrettable. I thought
you were better than that.
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This has become totally ridiculous - I have nothing more to say.
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I guess understanding yourself well might entail knowing that your actions will have repercussions.....
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I guess understanding yourself well might entail knowing that your actions will have repercussions...
If I am truly honest with myself and I mean brutally honest with myself....all that I "think" I know about my physical self is alway subject to change depending on the circumstances.
Yet on the other hand, what I know about my spirit is much different than what I know about my physical self. One would think that its one and the same, but it is not. My spirit can thrive without the body, but the body cannot thrive without the spirit which it host. The spirit is emotion in motion, the body has mind and it thinks.
The question here is; how well do you understand yourself? I understand that my true self is not physical and it is not changeable.
I can know as well as understand the nature of my true self (which is spirit) through spiritual principles or the lack of them. For example: In a kill or be killed situation, "Will I allow you to kill me knowing that you can only kill the hosting body or will I defend this body and blast a hole in my assailant?"
This goes back to what I said in the beginning.....what I "think" I know about myself is subject to change.
Love to all....
CW
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CW wrote:I guess understanding yourself well might entail knowing that your actions will have repercussions...
If I am truly honest with myself and I mean brutally honest with myself....all that I "think" I know about myself is alway subject to change depending on the circumstances.
Yet on the other hand what I know about my spirit is much different than what I know about myself. One would think that its one and the same but it is not. My spirit can thrive without the body, but the body cannot thrive without the spirit which it host. The spirit is emotion in motion, the body has mind and it thinks.
The question here is; how well do you understand yourself? I understand that my true self is not physical and it is not changeable.
I can understand the nature of myself through spiritual principles or the lack of them. For example: In a kill or be killed situation, "Will I allow you to kill me knowing that you can only kill the hosting body or will I defend this body and blast a hole in my assailant?"
This goes back to what I said in the beginning.....what I "think" I know about myself is subject to change.
Love to all....
CW
Yet on the other hand what I know about my spirit is much different than what I know about myself. One would think that its one and the same but it is not. My spirit can thrive without the body, but the body cannot thrive without the spirit which it host. The spirit is emotion in motion, the body has mind and it thinks.
So true,CW. The body would be only a physical shell with thinking abilities..
Something like a robot?
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Good post CW. Yes what we know about ourselves is subject to change because we are not static
(unless stuck). Life is about constant change and we are not exactly the same person we were when
looking back at certain periods of our lives. Interacting with life changes who we are to a greater or
lesser degree.
I'm glad you pointed out the difference between spirit and what we know about ourselves. I see the
ego as different from our spirit...e.g. energy difference. It is commonly seen (spiritually) that our
true self/essence is our spirit.
I think the title of this thread may have been referring to the ego though and this is what most of
the replies seem to address. Is there much that needs to be understood about our spirit? I think it is
more something that we just experience since it is not of mind.
(unless stuck). Life is about constant change and we are not exactly the same person we were when
looking back at certain periods of our lives. Interacting with life changes who we are to a greater or
lesser degree.
I'm glad you pointed out the difference between spirit and what we know about ourselves. I see the
ego as different from our spirit...e.g. energy difference. It is commonly seen (spiritually) that our
true self/essence is our spirit.
I think the title of this thread may have been referring to the ego though and this is what most of
the replies seem to address. Is there much that needs to be understood about our spirit? I think it is
more something that we just experience since it is not of mind.
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Is there much that needs to be understood about our spirit? Yes there is so much to learn and know about one's own spirit, but first we must realize that spirit is not subject to change. All that we will become...spiritually, we are already, all that we will discovery about our spirit is ancient knowledge and this knowledge has been with us since the day we took our first breath on this earth. As we grow in age and wisdom the physical part of us gets the credit........this is called ego.
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Amy, Mac.
What's wrong with you two?
So much negativity coming from you especially Amy, I've seem you causing many arguments on the forum! Lately, trying to blame Joan aswell the other day! Its not on.
Mac, I'm glad you decided to back off, At least someone knows when to stop when it gets to far.
What's wrong with you two?
So much negativity coming from you especially Amy, I've seem you causing many arguments on the forum! Lately, trying to blame Joan aswell the other day! Its not on.
Mac, I'm glad you decided to back off, At least someone knows when to stop when it gets to far.
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Auras - I have become familiar with you criticising a situation you have not understood. Get back to me when youAuras wrote:Amy, Mac.
What's wrong with you two?
So much negativity coming from you especially Amy, I've seem you causing many arguments on the forum! Lately, trying to blame Joan aswell the other day! Its not on.
Mac, I'm glad you decided to back off, At least someone knows when to stop when it gets to far.
do and you will see what occurred. (Be grateful he didn't do it to you). You haven't even grasped that much have you?
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I feel there is a confusion here about spiritual knowledge and experiencing spirit. As you say spirit is not subjectCW wrote:Is there much that needs to be understood about our spirit? Yes there is so much to learn and know about one's own spirit, but first we must realize that spirit is not subject to change. All that we will become...spiritually, we are already, all that we will discovery about our spirit is ancient knowledge and this knowledge has been with us since the day we took our first breath on this earth. As we grow in age and wisdom the physical part of us gets the credit........this is called ego.
to change so there is nothing to learn/understand - it is about experiencing.
Spiritual knowledge however concerns moving away from ego more into our spirit - that is the reaped wisdom.
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Yes you with your attitude thinking you're right all the timeameliorate wrote:Auras - I have become familiar with you criticising a situation you have not understood. Get back to me when youAuras wrote:Amy, Mac.
What's wrong with you two?
So much negativity coming from you especially Amy, I've seem you causing many arguments on the forum! Lately, trying to blame Joan aswell the other day! Its not on.
Mac, I'm glad you decided to back off, At least someone knows when to stop when it gets to far.
do and you will see who was out of line here.
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OK Auras...so what was the issue then? What did you understand? I really doubt that you have graspedAuras wrote:Yes you with your attitude thinking you are right all the time.ameliorate wrote:Auras - I have become familiar with you criticising a situation you have not understood. Get back to me when youAuras wrote:Amy, Mac.
What's wrong with you two?
So much negativity coming from you especially Amy, I've seem you causing many arguments on the forum! Lately, trying to blame Joan aswell the other day! Its not on.
Mac, I'm glad you decided to back off, At least someone knows when to stop when it gets to far.
do and you will see who was out of line here.
what it was about.
Speaking of attitudes, it is your attitude to go on an aggressive attack without getting to grips with the situation.
Also, I have just noticed that all but one of your posts on this thread are antagonistic. Perhaps you should check
that you are not guilty of what you are accusing me of.
At least I have contributed several times directly on the topic of this thread...I see you have yet to do so.
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ameliorate wrote:OK Auras...so what was the issue then? What did you understand? I really doubt that you have graspedAuras wrote:Yes you with your attitude thinking you are right all the time.ameliorate wrote:Auras - I have become familiar with you criticising a situation you have not understood. Get back to me when youAuras wrote:Amy, Mac.
What's wrong with you two?
So much negativity coming from you especially Amy, I've seem you causing many arguments on the forum! Lately, trying to blame Joan aswell the other day! Its not on.
Mac, I'm glad you decided to back off, At least someone knows when to stop when it gets to far.
do and you will see who was out of line here.
what it was about.
Speaking of attitudes, it is your attitude to go on an aggressive attack without getting to grips with the situation.
My attitude is fine, I am just sick and tired of seeing your name everywhere on the forum, When ever I see it, You're arguing.
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ameliorate wrote:I feel there is a confusion here about spiritual knowledge and experiencing spirit. As you say spirit is not subjectCW wrote:Is there much that needs to be understood about our spirit? Yes there is so much to learn and know about one's own spirit, but first we must realize that spirit is not subject to change. All that we will become...spiritually, we are already, all that we will discovery about our spirit is ancient knowledge and this knowledge has been with us since the day we took our first breath on this earth. As we grow in age and wisdom the physical part of us gets the credit........this is called ego.
to change so there is nothing to learn/understand - it is about experiencing. There is much to learn about one's own spirit. For example: I came to know that my spirit can leave my body. I learned that my emotions is a communication line that connects my spirit to the universe. I had to learn/understand these things and many more...Although its always been apart of me I my physical self had to discover it. Just as Christopher Columbus discovered America......America was always there he just one day stumbled across it and declared his discovery.
Spiritual knowledge however concerns moving away from ego more into our spirit - that is the reaped wisdom. I totally agree!!
Think of how many people walking around who haven't discovered the spirit within the body. They don't know it even exist.
Love to all......
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Thanks CW for your wise and positive contributions here. They are very welcome and timely.